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    Re: All-American college football player Michael Sam says he is gay

    Based on the way I've heard ex-playesr talk about locker rooms, and based on the fact that younger people are continually becoming more accepting of homosexuality around them, I'd be SHOCKED if a majority of players actually would prefer "have them in our locker room" if given the option of "all one locker room or seperate locker rooms".

    As can be seen by Sam's current teammates, and by comments from NFL players on the team with gay men in the past, they are "one of us". They are a part of that team. And the locker room is a "sacred" area of many pro athletes, one where the team is free to be themselves and bond beyond the scrutiny of the media and public. I imagine most would be far more bothered by having a teammate segregated away from the team then they are that he may see their junk and get aroused.

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    Re: All-American college football player Michael Sam says he is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I imagine anyone with acceptable hygiene would need to shower after practice and the game. Not to mention, it's not like modesty is practiced in a locker room
    The post I was addressing wondered if women would mind this guy showering with them. I can't imagine that there are that many women showering after NFL games, so that's not really an issue is it?


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    Re: All-American college football player Michael Sam says he is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's been happening in NFL locker rooms for years already. The only difference is the others weren't "out." When I had a gym membership I showered after my workout, and I would be surprised if NOBODY in that locker room was gay. Actually, I'm pretty sure that I saw Esera Tuaolo in there a few times. He was gay, and he used to play in the NFL.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1062912227

    and if men were unknowingly sneaking into the women's locker room no one would care. But clearly social norms dictates that we be segregated due to concerns about attraction and arousal. And your argument in no way addresses this.

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    Re: All-American college football player Michael Sam says he is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
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    and if men were unknowingly sneaking into the women's locker room no one would care. But clearly social norms dictates that we be segregated due to concerns about attraction and arousal. And your argument in no way addresses this.
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    Re: All-American college football player Michael Sam says he is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Based on the way I've heard ex-playesr talk about locker rooms, and based on the fact that younger people are continually becoming more accepting of homosexuality around them, I'd be SHOCKED if a majority of players actually would prefer "have them in our locker room" if given the option of "all one locker room or seperate locker rooms".

    As can be seen by Sam's current teammates, and by comments from NFL players on the team with gay men in the past, they are "one of us". They are a part of that team. And the locker room is a "sacred" area of many pro athletes, one where the team is free to be themselves and bond beyond the scrutiny of the media and public. I imagine most would be far more bothered by having a teammate segregated away from the team then they are that he may see their junk and get aroused.
    But the point people keep bringing up is that co-ed locker rooms would be completely unacceptable to current social norms and that there is a double standard here. Yes, it's indeed a rather pointless and trite concern, but that double standard doesn't simply go away due to acknowledging that homosexuals were likely there prior to coming out or that players are comfortable with this.

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    Re: All-American college football player Michael Sam says he is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1062912227

    and if men were unknowingly sneaking into the women's locker room no one would care. But clearly social norms dictates that we be segregated due to concerns about attraction and arousal. And your argument in no way addresses this.
    Sure it did. We've all showered with gay men whether we knew it or not, and I can't say I've seen an erection in the locker room. Social norms or not, it's already happened, and it's not been an issue.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    Gay men are not women.
    no ****, but the point is that the segregation is based on sexual attraction. With homosexuals, such sexual attraction would be analogous to emn and women ...

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    Re: All-American college football player Michael Sam says he is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    But the point people keep bringing up is that co-ed locker rooms would be completely unacceptable to current social norms and that there is a double standard here. Yes, it's indeed a rather pointless and trite concern, but that double standard doesn't simply go away due to acknowledging that homosexuals were likely there prior to coming out or that players are comfortable with this.
    Social norms haven't dictated that there be separate "gay" locker rooms in the past. Why does that change now?


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    Re: All-American college football player Michael Sam says he is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    The post I was addressing wondered if women would mind this guy showering with them. I can't imagine that there are that many women showering after NFL games, so that's not really an issue is it?
    https://www.google.com/search?q=anal...sm=93&ie=UTF-8

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