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    Re: All-American college football player Michael Sam says he is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    What's that say about our society that this is somehow a "circus/distraction" similar to what vick did or even te'o?
    You won't get any argument from me on that. The fact that our society is such that Tim Tebow being a devout and out spoken Christian or Michael Sam being gay is going to garner so much attention and focus that that it becomes a major distraction to the team....but doesn't happen for a player who, for instance, killed someone while drunk driving is unfortunate and sad. But things being unfortunate and sad doesn't magically mean they don't exist.

    The reality is Tim Tebow's outspoken Christianity has garnered him a massive following, which causes the media to salivate over coverage of him, which causes clubs to stay away from him. The reality is Michael Sam being the first openly gay player to potentially come into the NFL, which is a major social and political story on top of the sports story to it, and is going to garner massive attention for significant time for the simple impact it has in the realm of civil rights in this country.

    Though I will say again, Vick was a circus and distraction. The man still had the athletic ability and talent to be one of the best QB's in the league at the time he tried to come back into the NFL, as evidenced by his borderline MVP season the following year. Yet the only team that would make a significant move on him was one with an established veteran QB and a "waiting in the wings" young drafted backup that had a coach who had been in place for more than a decade; and even then, it was as a third stringer. The potential "distraction" of Mike Vick absolutley cost him in terms of what teams would take a chance on him and to what degree.

    I'll clarify again, I'm not saying Michael Sam doesn't get drafted (I'd be SHOCKED). I'm not saying Michael Sam shouldn't be drafted. I'm not even saying I as a GM, specifically of the Redskins, wouldn't draft him.

    What I am saying is there are likely teams that would either take him off their board, or down grade him, because they're going to take the distraction into account...and there's nothing wrong with that imho. No more wrong than teams largely ignoring Tebow. But as I said, it only takes one team to decide that they CAN handle it. And if/when he falls farther in the draft and presents better value, the amount of teams willing to take that chance will continue to improve.

    It would be illegal and something they can and should get sued for.
    Ridiculous.

    It'd be unreasonable and illegal if they were doing it BECAUSE he's gay. just like it'd be unreasonable and illegal if they were doing it to Tebow BECAUSE he's a christian.

    However, that's not the reason in most cases. It's the media attention and hoopla that's likely to become attached to the situation and the player that is going to drive some teams away till later in the draft, or permanently. And there's nothing illegal about that, nor unreasonable. In the wrong locker room distractions and constant media pressure and attention can be damaging; I've witnessed it first hand multiple times here in Washington. It's ENTIRELY reasonable to take that into account when signing players. It's also entirely reasonable to take REALITY into account as opposed to gun drops and rainbows of what "should" garner massive public attention.

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    Re: All-American college football player Michael Sam says he is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    The basis of your statement was now gays would need separate locker rooms. Specifically because they are gay. Not all women are heterosexual, so should lesbians be forced to have separate facilities too?
    you guys are beating around the Bush here: Obviously segregated locker rooms were initially geared towards what people saw as inappropriate contact between the opposite sexes due to sexual attraction and arousal. And his point that homosexuals being in the same shower and changing area is akin to having a mixed arrangement for men and women clearly has merit.

    either address the argument or don't, but the attempt at naivety are just childish.

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    I would think it would be damn near impossible to find anyone who hasn't showered with a gay person of the same sex.
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    Re: All-American college football player Michael Sam says he is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Oh, the news it's about me, I didn't announce anything. Good point about the locker room though. I guess he'll have a seperate room, or just get to see the sex he is attracked to unclothed all the time. I wonder if women would have a problem with a guy showering with them?
    So this will be the first gay guy in the NFL? There have never been any others out or not?

    How many women play in the NFL and need to shower after the game anyway?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    I would think it would be damn near impossible to find anyone who hasn't showered with a gay person of the same sex.
    As I mentioned earlier: anyone that has been to a public gym had to likely deal with meat gazers at one time or another. But that doesn't negate the point he is making in his argument

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    Re: All-American college football player Michael Sam says he is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    you guys are beating around the Bush here: Obviously segregated locker rooms were initially geared towards what people saw as inappropriate contact between the opposite sexes due to sexual attraction and arousal. And his point that homosexuals being in the same shower and changing area is akin to having a mixed arrangement for men and women clearly has merit.

    either address the argument or don't, but the attempt at naivety are just childish.
    It's been happening in NFL locker rooms for years already. The only difference is the others weren't "out." When I had a gym membership I showered after my workout, and I would be surprised if NOBODY in that locker room was gay. Actually, I'm pretty sure that I saw Esera Tuaolo in there a few times. He was gay, and he used to play in the NFL.


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    Re: All-American college football player Michael Sam says he is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    As I mentioned earlier: anyone that has been to a public gym had to likely deal with meat gazers at one time or another. But that doesn't negate the point he is making in his argument
    How many men have been raped in NFL locker rooms?
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    Re: All-American college football player Michael Sam says he is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So this will be the first gay guy in the NFL?
    the first openly gay man, yes ...

    There have never been any others out or not?
    how does that address the issue? Look, I think the concern is trite, but the arguments you guys are making to address it are laughably bad: if we had women sneaking into the YMCA, when it was still a men's only organization, clearly no one would see the need to women's facilities.

    How many women play in the NFL and need to shower after the game anyway?
    I imagine anyone with acceptable hygiene would need to shower after practice and the game. Not to mention, it's not like modesty is practiced in a locker room

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    Re: All-American college football player Michael Sam says he is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So this will be the first gay guy in the NFL? There have never been any others out or not?

    How many women play in the NFL and need to shower after the game anyway?
    How is that relevant?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    How many men have been raped in NFL locker rooms?
    Where did anyone bring up rape?

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