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Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

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Ending rape on campus
Student-led activists movement fights to end rape on campus - CNN.com

Well. I don't know exactly how this makes me feel. I read through the entire article and it is nice to see action. There is a problem and something needs to be done. For that I am happy.

But one of those incidents does not fit in with the rest. Espinosa's. I don't understand how that is rape? Maybe I misread it. But it just struck me somewhere as...odd. And. Maybe. A little bit off. Everyone else can someone explain that to me?
 
The Espinosa situation seems odd to me, also.

The remaining challenge might be solved by offering firearms training to all interested parties.... it would likely produce positive results.

Thom Paine
 
I think ending rape on campus is an excellent idea.
 
I think ending rape on campus is an excellent idea.

It seems that defining rape is a prerequisite for that effort. Like Espinosa, I am struggling to make sense of her new definition of rape.
 
I'm not buying what Espinosa is putting down. Unless a man has you trapped in a house and is beating and or threatening you on a regular basis, you DON'T STAY!!
 
But Sandra Fluke like sex! Three or four times per day with different students! And since she's ugly, she just has to rape boys.


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The schools where I live have Co-ed dormitories, though same sex (at least in theory) floors. The whole sexually liberated concept is only fuel for date rape or acquantiance (sp) rape situations.

Though these forms of rape will occur with same sex dorms, the amount of opportunities sky rockets if men have constant access to women's rooms. This is especially so as the women dont even have total control of their room: (Gee, why are you in my room? Because your roomate gave me permission and its her room to- Now, scoot over and have a drink...)
 
Ending rape on campus
Student-led activists movement fights to end rape on campus - CNN.com

Well. I don't know exactly how this makes me feel. I read through the entire article and it is nice to see action. There is a problem and something needs to be done. For that I am happy.

But one of those incidents does not fit in with the rest. Espinosa's. I don't understand how that is rape? Maybe I misread it. But it just struck me somewhere as...odd. And. Maybe. A little bit off. Everyone else can someone explain that to me?

Nope, I can't explain how she would consider that rape. If she was a a child or mentally deficient, then maybe.

She doesn't mention anything like blackmail either, so I don't know how she thinks he coerced her into sex, being an adult female with no mental deficits.
 
Ending rape on campus
Student-led activists movement fights to end rape on campus - CNN.com

Well. I don't know exactly how this makes me feel. I read through the entire article and it is nice to see action. There is a problem and something needs to be done. For that I am happy.

But one of those incidents does not fit in with the rest. Espinosa's. I don't understand how that is rape? Maybe I misread it. But it just struck me somewhere as...odd. And. Maybe. A little bit off. Everyone else can someone explain that to me?

Here is the key part and what makes it rape:

Yes, he was her boyfriend. No, he hadn't pinned her down, or threatened violence. But Espinosa insists that he coerced her, psychologically and physically, into having sex against her will for most of their three-year relationship.

Assuming her story is true, physically coercing some one into having sex is going to fall into the category of rape. There is an area that I am not sure exactly how well defined it is in law that is really sticky on the rape question, but physical coercion is pretty definitely rape.
 
What you wanna bet this young lady originally knew how this guy was and thought she could 'change' him? When that didn't work out, holler rape to get beck at him!

Hell he might of even thought she liked the way he acted towards her.
 
Here is the key part and what makes it rape:



Assuming her story is true, physically coercing some one into having sex is going to fall into the category of rape. There is an area that I am not sure exactly how well defined it is in law that is really sticky on the rape question, but physical coercion is pretty definitely rape.

If he didn't pin her down, what was 'physical'? Most guys try to *coerce sex from their girlfriends.
 
Nope, I can't explain how she would consider that rape. If she was a a child or mentally deficient, then maybe.

She doesn't mention anything like blackmail either, so I don't know how she thinks he coerced her into sex, being an adult female with no mental deficits.

The article stated that she was psychologically and physically coerced.

Abusive people, such as the mentioned boyfriend, are masters of emotional manipulation. They use threats of violence, abandonment, etc to coerce people into sex.

As for physical, he could have made it so she couldn't say no. Sometimes its really not as easy to say no.
 
What you wanna bet this young lady originally knew how this guy was and thought she could 'change' him? When that didn't work out, holler rape to get beck at him!

Hell he might of even thought she liked the way he acted towards her.

Yeah, that seems likely.

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The article stated that she was psychologically and physically coerced.

Abusive people, such as the mentioned boyfriend, are masters of emotional manipulation. They use threats of violence, abandonment, etc to coerce people into sex.

As for physical, he could have made it so she couldn't say no. Sometimes its really not as easy to say no.

You must be kidding. She specifically said she was not forced into sex. Unless she is mentally deficient, then no this is not rape. Emotional manipulation does not equal rape anyway. That is utterly ridiculous.
 
The article stated that she was psychologically and physically coerced.

Abusive people, such as the mentioned boyfriend, are masters of emotional manipulation. They use threats of violence, abandonment, etc to coerce people into sex.

As for physical, he could have made it so she couldn't say no. Sometimes its really not as easy to say no.

For her to put herself into the category of a "rape" victim is an insult.
 
If he didn't pin her down, what was 'physical'? Most guys try to *coerce sex from their girlfriends.

The article does not specify so we do not know. Of course there is also the he said/she said nature, so we probably will never know the absolute truth.
 
Emotional manipulation does not equal rape anyway. That is utterly ridiculous.

Emotional manipulation is coercion. When coercion is used to convince a person to have sex or engage in sexual activities when s/he does not want to do so, this is sexual assault.
 
Emotional manipulation is coercion. When coercion is used to convince a person to have sex or engage in sexual activities when s/he does not want to do so, this is sexual assault.

And adults are responsible for their OWN actions. I'm sorry but that is NOT sexual assault. She could have said no and I don't want to see you anymore. You can't go around blaming others for your OWN bad decisions.

Edit: Unless she was a minor. Then it's an entirely different scenario. But she was in college, so she was a young adult.
 
If emotional manipulation = rape....



Then most women are master rapists.
 
Emotional manipulation is coercion. When coercion is used to convince a person to have sex or engage in sexual activities when s/he does not want to do so, this is sexual assault.

Can you quote or link to the law that states that? I realize rape laws vary by state, but even one states laws that say that would be interesting.
 
The article does not specify so we do not know. Of course there is also the he said/she said nature, so we probably will never know the absolute truth.

Since the cops nor the administration officials found anything, I'm going with some sort of retaliation for hurt feelings.

There is a huge problem with date rape, horrible relationships of all sorts etc. but, this sort of whining, vanity article does nothing to help the matter.
 
Since the cops nor the administration officials found anything, I'm going with some sort of retaliation for hurt feelings.

There is a huge problem with date rape, horrible relationships of all sorts etc. but, this sort of whining, vanity article does nothing to help the matter.

You can guess whatever you want. Guesses made on a lack of information are pretty laughable however.
 
Ending rape on campus
Student-led activists movement fights to end rape on campus - CNN.com

Well. I don't know exactly how this makes me feel. I read through the entire article and it is nice to see action. There is a problem and something needs to be done. For that I am happy.

But one of those incidents does not fit in with the rest. Espinosa's. I don't understand how that is rape? Maybe I misread it. But it just struck me somewhere as...odd. And. Maybe. A little bit off. Everyone else can someone explain that to me?

I'm surprised you're so 'calm' about it, frankly.

Let me see if I've got this right. She's in a relationship with a guy for three years...having sex with him. And after they break up she asserts that he coerced her into it. What a bunch of bull****. Sometimes women embarrass me.
 
Can you quote or link to the law that states that? I realize rape laws vary by state, but even one states laws that say that would be interesting.

There's a part of the Michigan Penal Code I think this covers.

v. When the actor achieves the sexual contact through concealment or by the element of surprise.

Michigan Legislature - Section 750.520e

EDIT: Maybe that doesn't cover it so well. Well I guess I have more searching to do.
 
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