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WTF is "actual rape" ?
not someone claiming rape out of regret?
WTF is "actual rape" ?
Let's compare apples to apples. If I publicly addressed a group of people about how I asked my boss for a personal day and he refused, it's reasonable for me to be asked why I asked for the personal day or how I asked for it. You can't go public about something and then claim a right to privacy on that very same something.
Now, if she'd gone public about being refused a personal day and then someone demanded to know the details of her rape, that would be inappropriate.
Physical coercion is force. She said she was physically coerced, ergo she said she was forced.
The key word is " claims ".
She's using the crime to push advocacy on a public level. Of course people have every right and need to question such an allegation. because it now has a direct impact on their lives.
WTF is "actual rape" Mr Akin?
The reason why I brought up the personal-day analogy is that in most cases, whatever the person is dealing with is nowhere nearly as traumatic as rape. It is exceedingly cruel to demand that a rape survivor share the details of that horrible moment. And that's not to mention that we live in a society that is still quite repressed about sexuality.
Puh-lease. Rape apologists have manufactured an entire system of myths, many of which are listed in that source and that you almost certainly didn't read--to maintain the system of oppression of women. They won't listen to the survivors, because that would threaten the very system that gives them their power over women.
Are there any details available on what exactly she means by "physically coerced"? People say things, and they don't always mean what it sounds like they mean... :shrug:
That that I've been able to find, and I've definitely been looking.
Yes, he was her boyfriend. No, he hadn't pinned her down, or threatened violence. But Espinosa insists that he coerced her, psychologically and physically, into having sex against her will for most of their three-year relationship.
Oh of course. Because, hey, there's a 2-5% chance that she's wrong, and any good betting man would bet on those kind of odds. Give me a break.
Puh-lease. Rape apologists have manufactured an entire system of myths, many of which are listed in that source and that you almost certainly didn't read--to maintain the system of oppression of women. They won't listen to the survivors, because that would threaten the very system that gives them their power over women.
I agree, but if you're going to talk to the public about your experience, I don't think there's anyone wrong with asking for the details.
This is what she says.
I'm sorry, but she could just be a crazy lady for all we know, and it sounds quite plausible when a person makes contradictory statements such as this.
If so, then more power to her. Our society NEEDS to break the silence on what is quite possibly its single most underrated social ill.
This thread is moving fast, so apologies if I miss your post. That, and I have stuff to take care of later today.
Why? Why do we have any right to know?
Have you ever had a rape/sexual assault survivor tell you her story, in detail? I don't mean just bits and pieces, such as "he did X on Y date at Z location. I mean the full story, in every detail she can remember, from start to finish.
Let me tell you right now, if you are ever trusted enough to hear such an account, and you do hear such an account, then you will never look at sexual assault the same way again.
actually he has a point on the claims your source makes on false rape allegations:
<<<Of the 136 cases of sexual assault 8 (5.9%) were coded as false reports, 61 (44.9%) did not proceed to any prosecution or disciplinary action, 48 (35.3%) were referred for prosecution or disciplinary action, and 19 (13.9%) contained insufficient information to be coded>>>
If you look at the data, very few rape allegations can be determined to be worth prosecuting or determined to be false, with most having an "undecided" factor to them. So when we simply compare the numbers determined as false (5.9%) to those prosecuted (13.9%) and where guilt wasn't even determined yet. The number of false allegations tend to stand out to a much greater degree
She doesn't contradict herself. She says that while she wasn't pinned or threatened, she was physically coerced. That's force.
Why? Why do we have any right to know? Have you ever had a rape/sexual assault survivor tell you her story, in detail? I don't mean just bits and pieces, such as "he did X on Y date at Z location. I mean the full story, in every detail she can remember, from start to finish. Let me tell you right now, if you are ever trusted enough to hear such an account, and you do hear such an account, then you will never look at sexual assault the same way again.
Why? Why do we have any right to know?
I'll bet that you think that if a man tells a woman he loves her (or vice versa) but really doesn't and has sex anyway, because that sex occurred on the basis of a lie, then that is a form of rape too.
Well since I'm not "Mr. Akin?" Whoever that is, I guess you must have mistakenly quoted my post.
Because she made the issue public and is using it to push for changes to how our culture and society operates. Thus, her allegation, and it's validity, has a direct impact on him and everyone else.