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Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

Phys251 said:
It is none of our damn business how the alleged coercion occurred. That is an extremely personal and upsetting chapter in her life, and she has the absolute right to keep that information private.
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Given how public she's been on the subject of rape, even participating in symposiums on the subject, I think it's reasonable to ask for the details of her own violation. If she doesn't want to be asked questions, she shouldn't put herself out there.
 
Phys251 said:
Few things in life as ironic as a woman justifying rape.

It is none of our damn business how the alleged coercion occurred. That is an extremely personal and upsetting chapter in her life, and she has the absolute right to keep that information private. If you had problems in your sex life--and unless rape was involved, then I can assure you, you are almost certainly going through nothing anywhere nearly as traumatic--shouldn't we know the details? Shouldn't we be allowed to judge for ourselves whether your positions, technique, body weight, shaving habits, and all sorts of other intimate details about you? Or would that feel like a gross intrusion of your privacy, not to mention horribly creepy? Guess what: Many rape survivors that I have talked to have expressed the exact same sentiment about having the particulars of that horrible night, or nights, or days, discussed. Why should you get a pass when she does not?



Our society has finally gotten serious about the epidemic of pedophilia--almost paranoid at times, I say. But when it comes to rape of teenage and grown women, society remains remarkably silent. Your sentiment accurately reflects this.
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No, you are wrong. Coercion (unless blackmail or death threats) is NOT rape. It is insulting to actual rape victims to claim that this is rape. She stayed with this man for 3 years of her own will. She had a BAD relationship, not rape.
 
ChrisL said:
Did he force her to stay against her will? Was she an adult at the time?

She was with him for THREE years!!! I'm assuming she wasn't being held prisoner because if that had been the case, surely charges would have been filed. She has to take responsibility for her bad relationship decisions.
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Heh, it's like you totally skipped pas the part where I posted information from a reputable source about people who stay in abusive relationships.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Heh, it's like you totally skipped pas the part where I posted information from a reputable source about people who stay in abusive relationships.
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That is not rape. Those are abusive relationships. She herself says she was NOT forced. I've been saying all along that it sounds like a "bad" relationship, perhaps even abusive, but THAT is not rape, and she stayed for 3 years, and while I have sympathy for them because I know about psychological damage from such things, it is still not the equivalent of actual rape.

Her story doesn't jive anyway. On the one hand, she says that she was NEVER forced to have sex with him, and then she goes on to say that there was "physical coercion." Well? WTH is she talking about?
 
Soupnazi630 said:
They are given the same defference IF there is proof that the crime took place.

Notice the specific types of crimes you named in comparison. Arson, robbery, burglary, all of these crimes are difficult to fake. One cannot accuse someone of commiting arson unless someones property has been set fire to and burned down. You might burn your own property and blame someone else but the crime still happened and is undeniable. The same basic truth applies to robbery and burglary. It is hard to accuse somone of stealing something which has not been stolen. Some people for example hide their own property and attempt to report it stolen while making an insurance claim. In general the authorities are very good at solving those crimes and such people tend to get charged with insurance fraud because they usually do not want to completely get rid of the property they report stolen and so they get caught.

Rape in contrast is most often one persons word against anothers ( assault or domestic violence fits the same description ) especially because no rape test kit is completed in over half of all accusations of rape. Therefore it is simple easier to lie and falsely accuse people of this crime.
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You would be wise to read up on rape myths before continuing to make such categorically false statements.

"Only two percent of reported rape and related sex offences are false (which is approximately the same rate of false reports for other crimes). Although many cases are dropped because of insufficient evidence for conviction, this should not be confused with false reporting."​

I've seen the estimated percentage of false rape allegations vary a bit, but I have never seen a reliable source place it anywhere outside the single digits. Really, all the rape myths exist to maintain a patriarchal system of power over women, not to discern the truth.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Given how public she's been on the subject of rape, even participating in symposiums on the subject, I think it's reasonable to ask for the details of her own violation. If she doesn't want to be asked questions, she shouldn't put herself out there.
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BS. If you had to take a day off from work because of personal issues, shouldn't your boss have a right to know exactly what those personal issues are? Why would you keep your boss in the dark?
 
Phys251 said:
BS. If you had to take a day off from work because of personal issues, shouldn't your boss have a right to know exactly what those personal issues are? Why would you keep your boss in the dark?
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Taking a day off from work and publicly talking about being raped are two very different things.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
The point was to illustrate how adults remain in bad situations.



That's not what she said. She said she was physically coerced.
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How would you be "physically" coerced into sex if it is not forced? Please list some examples because it sounds like a contradiction of terms IMO.
 
Phys251 said:
BS. If you had to take a day off from work because of personal issues, shouldn't your boss have a right to know exactly what those personal issues are? Why would you keep your boss in the dark?
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She is accusing someone of a SERIOUS CRIME! Yet states she was never forced to have sex!!!
 
ChrisL said:
No, you are wrong. Coercion (unless blackmail or death threats) is NOT rape. It is insulting to actual rape victims to claim that this is rape. She stayed with this man for 3 years of her own will. She had a BAD relationship, not rape.
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Ah yes, the old "they were in a relationship, so it couldn't have been rape" lie. Tell that to two of the rape survivors I personally know that were raped by their significant other.

Furthermore, I seriously question whether you understand what "informed consent" means. By your definition, date rape drugs don't count.
 
ChrisL said:
She is accusing someone of a SERIOUS CRIME! Yet states she was never forced to have sex!!!
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Did you even read the article, Chris? As in, the second paragraph, where she clearly claims to have been coerced into sex?
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Taking a day off from work and publicly talking about being raped are two very different things.
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Oh really? That's it, huh? So you get the right to privacy, but a rape survivor doesn't? That's a cute little trick right there.
 
Phys251 said:
You would be wise to read up on rape myths before continuing to make such categorically false statements.

"Only two percent of reported rape and related sex offences are false (which is approximately the same rate of false reports for other crimes). Although many cases are dropped because of insufficient evidence for conviction, this should not be confused with false reporting."​

I've seen the estimated percentage of false rape allegations vary a bit, but I have never seen a reliable source place it anywhere outside the single digits. Really, all the rape myths exist to maintain a patriarchal system of power over women, not to discern the truth.
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No it is you needing education and reading up on myths and it is you stating categorically false claims.

Youyr source is not backed up by empirical evidence or scientific evidence it is merely a university website with no supporting evidence. Some of the rape myths published on your source are quite true but they are well known to be true. In other words what your source claims to be myth has never been myth such as the claim of myth that a man cannot rape his wife. Of course a man can rape his wife and that is nothing new. Rape is rape whether in or out of marriage.

The source shows no evidence whatsoever to supprot the outrageous and easily proven false claim that 2% of reported rape claims are false. It is a typical feminist lie which cannot be supported.

You ignore any reliable source which places the percentage of false rape accusations outside the single digits because they are common and ruin your perception. After all if you faced the fact that false accusations are common it would ruin the myth you believe in which is a patriarchal system.
 
Phys251 said:
Oh really? That's it, huh? So you get the right to privacy, but a rape survivor doesn't? That's a cute little trick right there.
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Let's compare apples to apples. If I publicly addressed a group of people about how I asked my boss for a personal day and he refused, it's reasonable for me to be asked why I asked for the personal day or how I asked for it. You can't go public about something and then claim a right to privacy on that very same something.

Now, if she'd gone public about being refused a personal day and then someone demanded to know the details of her rape, that would be inappropriate.
 
Phys251 said:
What content?
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You made a blanket statement about people questioning allegations of rape and sexual assault in your first reply in this thread. In response to this, I pointed out that only one accusation of rape was being questioned here, and it's the one that has very questionable characteristics surrounding it.
 
Phys251 said:
Ah yes, the old "they were in a relationship, so it couldn't have been rape" lie. Tell that to two of the rape survivors I personally know that were raped by their significant other.

Furthermore, I seriously question whether you understand what "informed consent" means. By your definition, date rape drugs don't count.
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She was an adult!!! She said she was never forced, and using date rape drugs would be force, as would blackmail or any other such situation. I'm still waiting for an adequate explanation of how one can be raped when they weren't forced into it.
 
ChrisL said:
She was an adult!!! She said she was never forced, and using date rape drugs would be force, as would blackmail or any other such situation. I'm still waiting for an adequate explanation of how one can be raped when they weren't forced into it.
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Physical coercion is force. She said she was physically coerced, ergo she said she was forced.
 
I think that this woman claiming rape under these circumstances is undermining actual rape. People like her are the reason why a lot of people don't take these accusations seriously. She actually says she was never forced but was physically and psychologically coerced into sex . . . as an ADULT!

If anything, this sounds like an abusive relationship and not rape.
 
Soupnazi630 said:
No it is you needing education and reading up on myths and it is you stating categorically false claims.

Youyr source is not backed up by empirical evidence or scientific evidence it is merely a university website with no supporting evidence. Some of the rape myths published on your source are quite true but they are well known to be true. In other words what your source claims to be myth has never been myth such as the claim of myth that a man cannot rape his wife. Of course a man can rape his wife and that is nothing new. Rape is rape whether in or out of marriage.

The source shows no evidence whatsoever to supprot the outrageous and easily proven false claim that 2% of reported rape claims are false. It is a typical feminist lie which cannot be supported.

You ignore any reliable source which places the percentage of false rape accusations outside the single digits because they are common and ruin your perception. After all if you faced the fact that false accusations are common it would ruin the myth you believe in which is a patriarchal system.
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Puh-lease. Rape apologists have manufactured an entire system of myths, many of which are listed in that source and that you almost certainly didn't read--to maintain the system of oppression of women. They won't listen to the survivors, because that would threaten the very system that gives them their power over women.
 
Phys251 said:
Did you even read the article, Chris? As in, the second paragraph, where she clearly claims to have been coerced into sex?
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The key word is " claims ".
 
ChrisL said:
I think that this woman claiming rape under these circumstances is undermining actual rape. People like her are the reason why a lot of people don't take these accusations seriously. She actually says she was never forced but was physically and psychologically coerced into sex . . . as an ADULT!

If anything, this sounds like an abusive relationship and not rape.
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WTF is "actual rape" Mr Akin?
 
Phys251 said:
Oh really? That's it, huh? So you get the right to privacy, but a rape survivor doesn't? That's a cute little trick right there.
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She's using the crime to push advocacy on a public level. Of course people have every right and need to question such an allegation. because it now has a direct impact on their lives.
 
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