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Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

You can guess whatever you want. Guesses made on a lack of information are pretty laughable however.

You already said there was a lack of info and we'd probably never know the real truth.

I'm naturally going to go with my own personal experience and with those of people I know.

Obviously being a woman, you are more apt to believe her.
 
There's a part of the Michigan Penal Code I think this covers.



Michigan Legislature - Section 750.520e

EDIT: Maybe that doesn't cover it so well. Well I guess I have more searching to do.

hat's sounds like a load of crap.

Concealment? surprise? What sort of morons are we dealing with here?

And this is only a misdemeanor, hardly rape.
 
You already said there was a lack of info and we'd probably never know the real truth.

I'm naturally going to go with my own personal experience and with those of people I know.

Obviously being a woman, you are more apt to believe her.

The second sentence does not follow the first. Not knowing the truth does not require making uninformed guesses.

And I do not necessarily believe her. I do not know and am not inclined to speculate, and I am ok with that. My comment was not to suggest that her claim was accurate, but to suggest what part of her claim would be considered rape.
 
The second sentence does not follow the first. Not knowing the truth does not require making uninformed guesses.

And I do not necessarily believe her. I do not know and am not inclined to speculate, and I am ok with that. My comment was not to suggest that her claim was accurate, but to suggest what part of her claim would be considered rape.

This would not follow the 'debate' or 'discussion' reason for this forum.

Speculation is a big part of that. Speculation based on ones experience in life is a bigger part.

Hardly an off-handed guess.
 
This would not follow the 'debate' or 'discussion' reason for this forum.

Speculation is a big part of that. Speculation based on ones experience in life is a bigger part.

Hardly an off-handed guess.

It is a completely hands off guess since you have exactly no information beyond her statement, that it was investigated, and the investigation was criticized, which means that you just do not know.
 
It is a completely hands off guess since you have exactly no information beyond her statement, that it was investigated, and the investigation was criticized, which means that you just do not know.
Then we might as well end this thread right here and now 'cause that's all we have.

Which tells me it's BS.
 
Most women will reject this moron's claims. Non-issue.

The only problem here is that BS like this can make headlines. Talk about spitting in the face of genuine rape victims.
 
Most women will reject this moron's claims. Non-issue.

The only problem here is that BS like this can make headlines. Talk about spitting in the face of genuine rape victims.

Well, if what she is doing will genuinely help other "real" rape victims, then whatever, but I certainly don't consider her personal experience, as related in the article, to be rape. It sounds to me like her boyfriend was a jerk, and she made a bad decision to be with him and stay with him. That is not in any way rape though. And I agree that her claiming that as rape is completely an over dramatization of her experience, and she just seems bitter and angry. If she was a 16-year-old kid, and he was in his 20s, then okay I'd buy the psychological manipulation story.
 
Here is the key part and what makes it rape:



Assuming her story is true, physically coercing some one into having sex is going to fall into the category of rape. There is an area that I am not sure exactly how well defined it is in law that is really sticky on the rape question, but physical coercion is pretty definitely rape.

Well that is why I am more confused on the topic than I am forming an opinion. I find it hard to believe that it was rape if they were having sexual relations over a 3 year period. I mean. Is she suggesting that it was never consensual? Or that he did this sometimes?

But yes. It is sticky. And odd. And there are some unusual definitions floating around out there.
 
Here is the key part and what makes it rape:"he coerced her, psychologically and physically"

you mean the overly vague statement that could encompass everything from "hey, you want to have sex" to "have sex with me or I'll drown this kitten"

So before calling it rape, doesn't it seem prudent we actually know what she is talking about? You smell what I'm cooking, son?
 
This is a difficult topic. When you combine hormones, college campuses, unsupervised youth, and alcohol, a lot happens.
 
It is a completely hands off guess since you have exactly no information beyond her statement, that it was investigated, and the investigation was criticized, which means that you just do not know.

We do know that this "relationship" (or was it a crime spree?) lasted for three years. Fool me once then shame on you but, fool me twice and shame on me. The biggest failure presented by her allegations is why she waited until after the relationship had ended to allege ongoing criminal activity? This extreme delay, in reporting the alleged crime(s), placed the investigators at a terrible disadvantage and that situation can be blamed only on her.
 
We do know that this "relationship" (or was it a crime spree?) lasted for three years. Fool me once then shame on you but, fool me twice and shame on me. The biggest failure presented by her allegations is why she waited until after the relationship had ended to allege ongoing criminal activity? This extreme delay, in reporting the alleged crime(s), placed the investigators at a terrible disadvantage and that situation can be blamed only on her.

are you trying to rape redress into agreeing with you?
 
Well, if what she is doing will genuinely help other "real" rape victims, then whatever, but I certainly don't consider her personal experience, as related in the article, to be rape. It sounds to me like her boyfriend was a jerk, and she made a bad decision to be with him and stay with him. That is not in any way rape though. And I agree that her claiming that as rape is completely an over dramatization of her experience, and she just seems bitter and angry. If she was a 16-year-old kid, and he was in his 20s, then okay I'd buy the psychological manipulation story.
Lacking any physical coercion, I'd never accept is as being rape. Nor would the overwhelming majority.

She couldn't be 'helping' genuine rape victims by reducing their plight to the level of a mere complaint.
 
Lacking any physical coercion, I'd never accept is as being rape. Nor would the overwhelming majority.

She couldn't be 'helping' genuine rape victims by reducing their plight to the level of a mere complaint.

Well, if she was a minor at the time, you would be wrong because that would be illegal and considered statutory rape, but in this specific case, it doesn't sound like rape to me, more like a bad relationship.
 
Then we might as well end this thread right here and now 'cause that's all we have.

Which tells me it's BS.

So that is the only thing you got out of the OP source article? Really?
 
Well, if she was a minor at the time, you would be wrong because that would be illegal and considered statutory rape, but in this specific case, it doesn't sound like rape to me, more like a bad relationship.
Was she a minor?
 
you mean the overly vague statement that could encompass everything from "hey, you want to have sex" to "have sex with me or I'll drown this kitten"

So before calling it rape, doesn't it seem prudent we actually know what she is talking about? You smell what I'm cooking, son?

Which is why I made my further point that without more information, it is impossible to judge. Physical coercion however does rise to the level of rape, which is her claim.
 
Was she a minor?

I don't think so because she was a college student at the time, I think. Anyway, I was not applying it to her but just talking about when the "psychological" aspect might be applicable, and that would only be in the case of a minor, not a college-aged person who is over 18.
 
We do know that this "relationship" (or was it a crime spree?) lasted for three years. Fool me once then shame on you but, fool me twice and shame on me. The biggest failure presented by her allegations is why she waited until after the relationship had ended to allege ongoing criminal activity? This extreme delay, in reporting the alleged crime(s), placed the investigators at a terrible disadvantage and that situation can be blamed only on her.

It is easy to judge on the outside, but it has been my experience that it is not always easy for some people to leave relationships. Both my sisters spent years in abusive relationships. We told them again and again that they needed to get out. They where convinced they loved the person however, and that things could be repaired.
 
I don't think so because she was a college student at the time, I think. Anyway, I was not applying it to her but just talking about when the "psychological" aspect might be applicable, and that would only be in the case of a minor, not a college-aged person who is over 18.
Then it's moot. She wasn't raped.

Btw, stop raping me.
 
It's not rape, and she's just an attention-grabbing bitch. End thread.
 
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