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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    That is not at all what I said. Don't insert words into my mouth. All I want is for sexual assault and rape victims to have their stories given the same deference as victims of arson, burglary, robbery, and other crimes. I find it fascinating that sexual crimes are treated differently in this regard, and I ask myself, why is that?
    It's a little difficult to deny the evidence of a burning building. lulz

    When someone claims to have been the victim of a crime, I believe them unless I have a legitimate reason to not do so. This is not the same thing as guilty until proven innocent. Humans are not required to send every idea they have to a court of law to judge whether that idea is legit.
    They are if they're claiming illegality.

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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    And you know this how? You have studied this case and concluded that there definitely was no rape?
    We know there was no physical coercion. She admits as much. Ergo, no rape.

    What is the current FBI definition of rape?
    No idea. Enlighten me.

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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    I just love how every single discussion about rape or sexual assault quickly turns into questioning the accuser's motives and not addressing the horrors of the crime. They're the only crimes where this is such a major issue.

    Stop trying to justify what her boyfriend did. If there was no informed consent, yet intercourse occurred, it was rape. Period.
    No one is attempting to justify rape period.

    The fact s many women falsely accuse men or rape which is just as bad and painful ( or worse ) than rape. Yet very seldom are such women punished. Notice how less than half of alleged rape victims consent to a rape test kit. In such cases it becomes his word against hers and a persons word is never valid reason to imprison someone.

    We question her ( and his ) motives as you put it because the accused enjoy's the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty and he or she should enjoy that right regardless of the crime.

    The problem with the crime of rape is that it IS easy to create a false or fake accusation and there are many motives for doing so. The same is true for assault ( read domestic violence ). People have a hard time falsely accusing someone of murder when there is no dead body. Or falsely accusing someone of theft when there is no missing property. Rape and assault however are very easy to fake when it is one persons word against another and the " victim " need only cry and appear traumatized to win the conviction in the court of public opinion.

    No one is justifying rape stop trying to justify witch hunts against man.

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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    It's a little difficult to deny the evidence of a burning building. lulz
    Or of rape. The allegation that women tend to lie about rape is the real lie.

    Besides, maybe someone "asked for it" and thus got their home burned down?

    They are if they're claiming illegality.
    Holy crap, do you realize what you just said? If one of your friends who has no known history of lying claims to have been the victim of a serious crime, and you have no way of knowing what happened other than his or her description of the situation, would you be more likely to (1) offer comfort and support, or (2) ask tough questions to make sure she or he was really telling the truth? Hint: Only a complete dick would pick #2.
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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    We know there was no physical coercion. She admits as much. Ergo, no rape.
    1. If you really believe that no physical coercion => definitely no rape, then you do not understand what consent is.
    2. Did you even read the story? The second paragraph says:

    "Yes, he was her boyfriend. No, he hadn't pinned her down, or threatened violence. But Espinosa insists that he coerced her, psychologically and physically, into having sex against her will for most of their three-year relationship."

    No idea. Enlighten me.
    The FBI's definition of rape is “the penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”
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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    No one is attempting to justify rape period.
    Intent means nothing here. Zero. What matters is what you guys are saying and doing. Your words make light of million's of women's and men's plights, period. Stop belittling rape stories.

    The fact s many women falsely accuse men or rape which is just as bad and painful ( or worse ) than rape. Yet very seldom are such women punished. Notice how less than half of alleged rape victims consent to a rape test kit. In such cases it becomes his word against hers and a persons word is never valid reason to imprison someone.

    We question her ( and his ) motives as you put it because the accused enjoy's the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty and he or she should enjoy that right regardless of the crime.

    The problem with the crime of rape is that it IS easy to create a false or fake accusation and there are many motives for doing so. The same is true for assault ( read domestic violence ). People have a hard time falsely accusing someone of murder when there is no dead body. Or falsely accusing someone of theft when there is no missing property. Rape and assault however are very easy to fake when it is one persons word against another and the " victim " need only cry and appear traumatized to win the conviction in the court of public opinion.

    No one is justifying rape stop trying to justify witch hunts against man.
    Yes you are. Over 90% of rape allegations turn out to be true. The reason why myths such as yours persist is that to acknowledge the epidemic of rape would be to acknowledge that there is a widespread problem with male behavior, as virtually every rapist is a male. Those attitudes help make rape a horribly difficult crime to report. Did you not read the victim's acknowledgement of that fact?
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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Without knowing what is being referred to in this case it is impossible to judge.
    I agree and is the point I am trying to get across. Since your posts seem to assume that the complaint is valid, despite remarks to the contrary

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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    I just love how every single discussion about rape or sexual assault quickly turns into questioning the accuser's motives and not addressing the horrors of the crime..
    you might notice the various cases no one question and the nature of the one case that is being scrutinized.

    Either that, or mindlessly reject all positions you disagree with and lob character attacks ...

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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Stop trying to justify what her boyfriend did. If there was no informed consent, yet intercourse occurred, it was rape. Period.
    Hey, Genius, that's what we are discussing: if informed consent occurred or not.

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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    you might notice the various cases no one question and the nature of the one case that is being scrutinized.

    Either that, or mindlessly reject all positions you disagree with and lob character attacks ...
    I can't even read that first sentence...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Hey, Genius, that's what we are discussing: if informed consent occurred or not.
    So I can't flame, but you can. Neat.
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