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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Well, colleges are notorious for covering up rape scandals. Just look at Sandusky and how some people knew what was going on, but didn't say anything. (Penn State's Conspiracy of Sandusky Silence and Cover-Up Proven Via Emails : Outkick The Coverage)
    Or notoriously overreact to rape accusations, such as the Duke Lacrosse case. There seem to be two extremes that colleges take, either they cover up something (but that is generally done for specific people rather than random students), or they (more often) overreact to accusations that really aren't worth the attention because they are either false or there is not really enough evidence to do anything about.
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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by instagramsci View Post
    Emotional manipulation is coercion. When coercion is used to convince a person to have sex or engage in sexual activities when s/he does not want to do so, this is sexual assault.


    That is a dangerous standard. What constitutes emotional manipulation? Saying "you won't have sex with me, you don't love me, I'm leaving"? That could be considered emotional manipulation. If it causes her to consent to sex when she really didn't want to, are you calling that criminal sexual assault??

    If so, there's one hell of a lot of people ought to be in jail I guess, including quite a lot of women....

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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    That is a dangerous standard. What constitutes emotional manipulation? Saying "you won't have sex with me, you don't love me, I'm leaving"? That could be considered emotional manipulation. If it causes her to consent to sex when she really didn't want to, are you calling that criminal sexual assault??
    I heartily agree with this. While rape is a horrible crime, and should be harshly punished, I think the word rape (or sexual assault or any of the other terms for it) gets thrown around a little too freely these days.

    Especially within the bounds of a relationship. There is a default assumption in most relationships is that the partners will be monogamous. The flip side of that is the assumption that they'll be having sex with each other. If a woman refuses to have sex with her boyfriend, but expects him not to have sex with anyone else either, I think it's perfectly acceptable to say "If we don't start having sex, I'm leaving you". That's not emotional blackmail, it's simply a statement of fact because she's not holding up her end of the bargain.
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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    Thats an individual not a nationwide campaign
    When multiple media outlets and pundits suddenly use the same type of terms to dishonestly discredit someone for advocating a position with the intention of getting their audience to mimic them, it is a campaign. I don't believe that numerous people across the country spontaneously determined that Fluke was a slut just from seeing her testimony.

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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    This wasn't rape at all....

    Yes, he was her boyfriend. No, he hadn't pinned her down, or threatened violence. But Espinosa insists that he coerced her, psychologically and physically, into having sex against her will for most of their three-year relationship. She resisted, told him no, pushed him away. More often than not, he persisted and she gave in "just to get it over with," she says.
    So, this man was "abusive" in this woman's mind, but yet she stayed for three years?

    It took five months for school administrators to reach the conclusion that Espinosa's complaint was "unsubstantiated."
    So the authorities that she reported it to investigated, and concluded that her complaint was unsubstantiated...Now, CNN thinks this is rape? This is ridiculous....She had a boyfriend that she didn't want to have sex with, and rather than let him go, she stuck with the relationship, and then cries 'rape'.... This was a poor example chosen by CNN.
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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    When multiple media outlets and pundits suddenly use the same type of terms to dishonestly discredit someone for advocating a position with the intention of getting their audience to mimic them, it is a campaign. I don't believe that numerous people across the country spontaneously determined that Fluke was a slut just from seeing her testimony.
    Limbaugh is one guy and his listeners do not constitute a nationwide campaign

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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    I think ending rape on campus is an excellent idea.
    Ending rape would be like ending the sun.

    I was raped by 3 girls when I as about 16 - that was weird.

    If they had asked I would have been willing..... lol


    It's odd how females and males mentally process the alleged rape.

    Not that rape is a serious issue but... From an Anthropological perspective its extremely objective.

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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Ending rape on campus
    Student-led activists movement fights to end rape on campus - CNN.com

    Well. I don't know exactly how this makes me feel. I read through the entire article and it is nice to see action. There is a problem and something needs to be done. For that I am happy.

    But one of those incidents does not fit in with the rest. Espinosa's. I don't understand how that is rape? Maybe I misread it. But it just struck me somewhere as...odd. And. Maybe. A little bit off. Everyone else can someone explain that to me?
    I wish this would lead to positive changes but from what I have seen of the group it seems they just want people to criticize men for being pigs and to stop criticizing women for getting drunk. That's the sad thing about activists, they tend to make everything about culture and rhetoric and seem incapable of thinking of even the most basic instances of cause and effect. Like binge drinking on college campuses (by both sexes).

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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    I wish this would lead to positive changes but from what I have seen of the group it seems they just want people to criticize men for being pigs and to stop criticizing women for getting drunk. That's the sad thing about activists, they tend to make everything about culture and rhetoric and seem incapable of thinking of even the most basic instances of cause and effect. Like binge drinking on college campuses (by both sexes).
    A lot of common sense could be stressed on a more frequent basis for these tragedies to lessen in frequency. I agree with you. A lot of campuses could also take a tougher stance against underage drinking on campus or toward those establishments such as sorority and fraternity houses whose charters they recognize at their universities. At the same time, young women could exercise a higher degree of discretion when entering some of these places and drinking without concern from a bathtub full of flavored 90 proof rum while guys are throwing a mattress off a balcony saying..."Have a seat!" It is a horrible blight on our colleges that such events go on, but at the same time, it doesn't do anyone any good to point fingers after the event, when we could have been working on prevention from all sides in the first place.

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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by SayMyName View Post
    A lot of common sense could be stressed on a more frequent basis for these tragedies to lessen in frequency. I agree with you. A lot of campuses could also take a tougher stance against underage drinking on campus or toward those establishments such as sorority and fraternity houses whose charters they recognize at their universities. At the same time, young women could exercise a higher degree of discretion when entering some of these places and drinking without concern from a bathtub full of flavored 90 proof rum while guys are throwing a mattress off a balcony saying..."Have a seat!" It is a horrible blight on our colleges that such events go on, but at the same time, it doesn't do anyone any good to point fingers after the event, when we could have been working on prevention from all sides in the first place.

    Um, yeah....Dream on....College campi have always been run by admin that is heavily liberal leaning, you know the "live and let live" mentality....These kids go off to college as their first experience away from mom and dad, and in some cases get a little carried away. If there is something to prosecute then by all means go after it, but you will never see college campi run like military training camps.
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