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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Since there were no threats, violence or force used, maybe he hypnotized her to stay with him for 3 years and have sex with him against her will. The guy was like Svengali, and she had no control over her own body.
    Interesting analogy, but a little off the wall. At this point, we don't know much about this case, but Svengali and Trilby are a work of fiction, and not real life, and unless David Copperfield is the "rapist" in this case, not too believable, IMO. We shall see.

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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Interesting analogy, but a little off the wall. At this point, we don't know much about this case, but Svengali and Trilby are a work of fiction, and not real life, and unless David Copperfield is the "rapist" in this case, not too believable, IMO. We shall see.
    Oh I know, I was being sarcastic.

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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    I like I said earlier, I speak from experience and know the signs. I even know men who thought they could do the same.

    Sorry if I over-generalized.
    I was pretty much agreeing with you.
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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    I'm pro-campus rape. I think it's good for the economy.

    PROVE ME WRONG!

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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Physical coercion is force. She said she was physically coerced, ergo she said she was forced.
    It sounds like from her description though that the "physical coercion" was basically him rubbing the right spots or nibbling her ears or something like that, making her "feel good" til she gave into sex. He never threatened violence (and it sounded like she never felt threatened by him). In fact, it sounds very little different than some things I have experienced. Don't feel like doing it at the time, but someone (now my husband) is able to get me in the mood by simply hitting the right spots. That isn't rape. Especially if she allowed it to happen many times without saying anything about it It is very little different than how most girls lose their virginity, "he talked me into it". And some women/girls (not saying all or even most, just some) actually use that "reluctance" to help themselves get into the mood. It isn't right to label these cases as rape without knowing the guy's intent. As far as we know, he really didn't know that she didn't want it or wasn't willing to have sex with him since she kept agreeing to have sex with him despite not threatening her at all, according to her.
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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It sounds like from her description though that the "physical coercion" was basically him rubbing the right spots or nibbling her ears or something like that, making her "feel good" til she gave into sex. He never threatened violence (and it sounded like she never felt threatened by him). In fact, it sounds very little different than some things I have experienced. Don't feel like doing it at the time, but someone (now my husband) is able to get me in the mood by simply hitting the right spots.
    what man or woman isn't guilty of that?

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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I'm sorry for your sisters but IMO, rape can not be blamed on the victim. In domestic abuse....there is an element of complicity. Unless you are a prisoner, you owe it to yourself and any other women to get out.
    Curiously, this woman never availed herself of any help--and it IS available on every campus--at her university for three years, but it took her only one month to decide to litigate against the university.

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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Ending rape on campus
    Student-led activists movement fights to end rape on campus - CNN.com

    Well. I don't know exactly how this makes me feel. I read through the entire article and it is nice to see action. There is a problem and something needs to be done. For that I am happy.

    But one of those incidents does not fit in with the rest. Espinosa's. I don't understand how that is rape? Maybe I misread it. But it just struck me somewhere as...odd. And. Maybe. A little bit off. Everyone else can someone explain that to me?
    I agree, her story is odd. He never held her down or threatened violence, he was simply persistent in wanting sex (which every guy everywhere is). The fact that she stayed with him for 3 years tells me she wasn't all that upset about what was happening.

    And why should it be the university's job to deal with it anyway? That's what the police are for. The part that really bothers me though, is below.

    The 19-page letter reminded schools that under Title IX, which prohibits discrimination on the basis of sex, colleges and universities must apply a "preponderance of evidence" standard to reviewing rape cases, which means they must operate under the assumption that "more likely than not that sexual violence occurred."
    The school has to investigate based on the assumption that every sexual assault allegation is true? What happened to innocent until proven guilty?
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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It sounds like from her description though that the "physical coercion" was basically him rubbing the right spots or nibbling her ears or something like that, making her "feel good" til she gave into sex. He never threatened violence (and it sounded like she never felt threatened by him).
    If that's rape then pretty much every sexually active man in America is going to prison.
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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Since the cops nor the administration officials found anything, I'm going with some sort of retaliation for hurt feelings.

    There is a huge problem with date rape, horrible relationships of all sorts etc. but, this sort of whining, vanity article does nothing to help the matter.
    Well, colleges are notorious for covering up rape scandals. Just look at Sandusky and how some people knew what was going on, but didn't say anything. (Penn State's Conspiracy of Sandusky Silence and Cover-Up Proven Via Emails : Outkick The Coverage)
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