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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The second sentence does not follow the first. Not knowing the truth does not require making uninformed guesses.

    And I do not necessarily believe her. I do not know and am not inclined to speculate, and I am ok with that. My comment was not to suggest that her claim was accurate, but to suggest what part of her claim would be considered rape.
    She may very well legitimately feel victimized...but we cant fix all the mistakes we make in our lives. We can only learn and move on. Do you think that her bf deserves punishment? Lord knows, many of us probably hope that Karma takes a hand at some point...
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    No, I mean the abusive relationship will cause the low self esteem. There is a pretty well known pattern with a lot of domestic abusers, which starts off with choice of a mate, and then the name-calling and psychological abuse and then when she is "under his thumb" is when the violence starts. BUT, in this situation the woman specifically says no violence or threats of violence, nor force were used against her.
    Ah...but it's also my understanding that women do not stay and take it...not letting it go on and on...unless they have low self esteem. They put up with it, try to get it fixed, but do not stay if the abuse continues if they are more independent.

    (My comments do not factor in children)
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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Ah...but it's also my understanding that women do not stay and take it...not letting it go on and on...unless they have low self esteem. They put up with it, try to get it fixed, but do not stay if the abuse continues if they are more independent.

    (My comments do not factor in children)
    In these situations, I think usually one of several things happens, the woman either ends up leaving him because she just wises up, he beats her so badly that she is hospitalized or one of the children is harmed, OR the worse case scenario is that he kills her.

    In 2005, 1,181 women were murdered by an intimate partner.1 That's an average of three women every day. Of all the women murdered in the U.S., about one-third were killed by an intimate partner.2
    My biggest issue in this case is where she says he did not threaten or force her, but rather he was persistent and perhaps "bugged" her for sex, and she stated that she would eventually "give in" and THAT is not rape.

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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    In these situations, I think usually one of several things happens, the woman either ends up leaving him because she just wises up, he beats her so badly that she is hospitalized or one of the children is harmed, OR the worse case scenario is that he kills her.

    My biggest issue in this case is where she says he did not threaten or force her, but rather he was persistent and perhaps "bugged" her for sex, and she stated that she would eventually "give in" and THAT is not rape.
    I think a good analogy is addiction. You cannot make someone *do* anything...they will only do it (get clean, stop drinking, leave a bad relationship) when they are ready. Up to that point, I have a hard time saying they are not somewhat responsible for their own actions. For victims of abuse, getting them into counseling even while in the relationship, support from friends, boosting self esteem, gaining financial or emotional independence...can all help that person.

    People have said, "it's not easy to leave.' It's not easy to leave any relationship. It's not easy to leave one where people are co-dependent and there is abuse. But it will only stop when you STOP it...by leaving. Unless you're dead.
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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I think a good analogy is addiction. You cannot make someone *do* anything...they will only do it (get clean, stop drinking, leave a bad relationship) when they are ready. Up to that point, I have a hard time saying they are not somewhat responsible for their own actions. For victims of abuse, getting them into counseling even while in the relationship, support from friends, boosting self esteem, gaining financial or emotional independence...can all help that person.

    People have said, "it's not easy to leave.' It's not easy to leave any relationship. It's not easy to leave one where people are co-dependent and there is abuse. But it will only stop when you STOP it...by leaving. Unless you're dead.
    This is all unfortunately true. I really can't argue with any of it.

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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    In these situations, I think usually one of several things happens, the woman either ends up leaving him because she just wises up, he beats her so badly that she is hospitalized or one of the children is harmed, OR the worse case scenario is that he kills her.



    My biggest issue in this case is where she says he did not threaten or force her, but rather he was persistent and perhaps "bugged" her for sex, and she stated that she would eventually "give in" and THAT is not rape.
    Yes on both counts-the violence often escalates (the guy in an abusive relationship has issues), and not to discount her experience-but Ive never had a girlfriend I wasn't "bugging" for sex.

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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Well, if they just got rid of all the men they'd get rid of the problem. My understanding is that they are well on their way toward doing just that.
    No worries, we'll always need someone to lift heavy things and be willing to get grease under their fingernails fixing our cars.
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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Reading between the lines of the OP's article, my guess is that Joanna repeatedly made the mistake of giving in to her BF whenever he pressured her into having sex. That obvisously left her feeling ashamed, weak and used. She tried the sexual harrassment angle which the University is required to investigate under Title IX guidelines, but that didn't work out. She then went to the police department and that's where I'm a little confused, especialy reading some of the comments in this thread. Did she actually try to press charges for rape/sexual assault or sexual harrassment/misconduct? Either way, she was told that her case would be "very difficult to prove" which in cop speak pretty much means "zero chance, forget about it".

    If she filed rape charges, I must say I agree with most people here. What happened to her was not rape. From what I've been able to find out, according to Texas law, rape is covered by sexual assault laws and none of the many definitions under that umbrella fit what happened to her. If she filed sexual harrassment charges, the cops are right and she probably had next to no case.

    The way I understand the poorly worded article, it seems that she was going with sexual harrassment and not sexual assault. If that's the case, I'm not really clear on what her story is doing in an article about campus rape. Hers is not a rape issue at all.
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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Poor Espinosa. Isn't ironic how some women on the left have fought for decades for "control over their own bodies", but when it comes down to actually managing that control, people like Espinosa and Sandra Fluke need someone else to step in and actually manage it for them.

    Oh, it's moments like this when I would love to hear Judge Judy weigh in.

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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I'm not. I hate when women act like victims...it makes us all look bad. It makes it harder to believe those truly abused or raped.

    I have little respect for a woman staying 3 yrs in an abusive relationship....she had no children to protect...she was complicit IMO (without more info). She makes us all look weak and desperate.
    I like I said earlier, I speak from experience and know the signs. I even know men who thought they could do the same.

    Sorry if I over-generalized.

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