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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by instagramsci View Post
    Emotional manipulation is coercion. When coercion is used to convince a person to have sex or engage in sexual activities when s/he does not want to do so, this is sexual assault.
    Over and over? Why did she stay with him? She was not a prisoner. She let herself be victimized? As I said, more like domestic abuse than rape.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    And adults are responsible for their OWN actions. I'm sorry but that is NOT sexual assault. She could have said no and I don't want to see you anymore. You can't go around blaming others for your OWN bad decisions.

    Edit: Unless she was a minor. Then it's an entirely different scenario. But she was in college, so she was a young adult.
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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    You already said there was a lack of info and we'd probably never know the real truth.

    I'm naturally going to go with my own personal experience and with those of people I know.

    Obviously being a woman, you are more apt to believe her.
    I'm not. I hate when women act like victims...it makes us all look bad. It makes it harder to believe those truly abused or raped.

    I have little respect for a woman staying 3 yrs in an abusive relationship....she had no children to protect...she was complicit IMO (without more info). She makes us all look weak and desperate.
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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I'm not. I hate when women act like victims...it makes us all look bad. It makes it harder to believe those truly abused or raped.

    I have little respect for a woman staying 3 yrs in an abusive relationship....she had no children to protect...she was complicit IMO (without more info). She makes us all look weak and desperate.
    Don't worry. She doesn't. Most of us recognise the difference.

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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I'm not. I hate when women act like victims...it makes us all look bad. It makes it harder to believe those truly abused or raped.

    I have little respect for a woman staying 3 yrs in an abusive relationship....she had no children to protect...she was complicit IMO (without more info). She makes us all look weak and desperate.
    I understand the psychological dynamics involved in abusive relationships and how these particular women are usually lacking self esteem to a significant degree, so I would never say that she was "complicit" in her own abuse, but given the fact that the two of them lived separately along with the other facts of the case as described in the OP article, I really can't call that "rape" either.

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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It is easy to judge on the outside, but it has been my experience that it is not always easy for some people to leave relationships. Both my sisters spent years in abusive relationships. We told them again and again that they needed to get out. They where convinced they loved the person however, and that things could be repaired.
    I'm sorry for your sisters but IMO, rape can not be blamed on the victim. In domestic abuse....there is an element of complicity. Unless you are a prisoner, you owe it to yourself and any other women to get out.
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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I understand the psychological dynamics involved in abusive relationships and how these particular women are usually lacking self esteem to a significant degree, so I would never say that she was "complicit" in her own abuse, but given the fact that the two of them lived separately along with the other facts of the case as described in the OP article, I really can't call that "rape" either.
    I dont excuse that. "low self esteem?" Yes, a common reason. Do we see men behaving like that? Maybe, there are relationships where the men are the abused parties.

    Every person has it within them to walk away. They CHOOSE to remain the victims. Is it a psychological problem? In most cases yes...but they still have to accept *some* responsibility.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Ending rape on campus
    Student-led activists movement fights to end rape on campus - CNN.com

    Well. I don't know exactly how this makes me feel. I read through the entire article and it is nice to see action. There is a problem and something needs to be done. For that I am happy.

    But one of those incidents does not fit in with the rest. Espinosa's. I don't understand how that is rape? Maybe I misread it. But it just struck me somewhere as...odd. And. Maybe. A little bit off. Everyone else can someone explain that to me?
    If her situation is ever made into a movie I'd suggest Glenn Close play Espinoza.

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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I'm not. I hate when women act like victims...it makes us all look bad. It makes it harder to believe those truly abused or raped.

    I have little respect for a woman staying 3 yrs in an abusive relationship....she had no children to protect...she was complicit IMO (without more info). She makes us all look weak and desperate.
    Like overly using the term 'racist' makes it more difficult when genuine racism occurs. but I think men, as well as women, see what's going on here. The difficulty is that men get little sympathy or understanding when these charges are made, and are difficult to disprove.

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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I dont excuse that. "low self esteem?" Yes, a common reason. Do we see men behaving like that? Maybe, there are relationships where the men are the abused parties.

    Every person has it within them to walk away. They CHOOSE to remain the victims. Is it a psychological problem? In most cases yes...but they still have to accept *some* responsibility.
    No, I mean the abusive relationship will cause the low self esteem. There is a pretty well known pattern with a lot of domestic abusers, which starts off with choice of a mate, and then the name-calling and psychological abuse and then when she is "under his thumb" is when the violence starts. BUT, in this situation the woman specifically says no violence or threats of violence, nor force were used against her.

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