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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    False dichotomy.

    Blacks are subject to entrenched racism, expressed as a normative feature of society at every level. Women are not similarly subject to oppression and especially not rape. There's no comparison. It's a profound insult to suggest otherwise.
    Entrenched racism at every level of society? Nah.
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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    That's not how it works around here. He has to prove he didn't rape her.

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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    This is the definition of rape per the US Justice Department:
    “The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”
    USDOJ: Attorney General Eric Holder Announces Revisions to the Uniform Crime Report’s Definition of Rape

    She claims:
    Espinosa insists that he coerced her, psychologically and physically, into having sex against her will

    So her claims fit the definition.

    The question is, how do you prove such a thing? Is it even possible without a confession from the accused?

    We may never know if what transpired between the two of them was consensual or if she was or was coerced. The problem here, in this thread, is the willingness of so many to not only immediately dismiss her claims but go on to accuse her of being a pissed off bitch and a whore. Based on what!? You are in effect doing to her exactly what you are screaming is the injustice being done to him. Why does he have such instant credibility and why does she have so little?
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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I wonder how many of these women who scream rape over dubious incidents are doing so are a reaction to being called a slut or similar things? remember that white girl who claimed Kobie Bryant "raped her". No doubt in my mind what happened was her father ripped into her about being banged by a black married man and she then cried rape rather than admitting she wanted to get some NBA star to drill her hard
    I'm not real familiar with that incident.

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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Don't blame me for calling a spade a spade, sweetheart.
    That's a cheeky little game isn't it?? Sweetheart

    And yeah, the reason the claim is baseless is because "she is unwilling to share them or they have not come out yet". That's much more feasible than "bitch is lying".
    Only to the proud misogynist

    She has a credibility problem, and you're giving her a voice.
    There are many reasons why a women would not want to subject herself to putting those details on public display and your leap to name calling is much more telling about you.

    Who's being discredited here?
    That would be you
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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    When you creatively manipulate the acknowledged definitions this way, we're left with any number of possibilities that all undermine the already notoriously difficult process of proving rape in the first place. Taking your view, we could argue that a guy who threatens to dump his girlfriend has raped her, if she gives it up to prevent him from doing so. Or that guilt could be considered as 'psychological torture'. You're really grasping at straws here.
    Is it just me or is it more then a little disturbing that we trust peoples judgment enough when they are empowered to determine that a threat is "real" enough to shoot someone but we won't trust a woman's judgment enough to decide for herself when she has been forced to have sex against her will. Hmmm
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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Is it just me or is it more then a little disturbing that we trust peoples judgment enough when they are empowered to determine that a threat is "real" enough to shoot someone but we won't trust a woman's judgment enough to decide for herself when she has been forced to have sex against her will. Hmmm
    In both cases, a grand jury will normally make the call

    the factual scenario involving the woman in the OP is one that strongly suggests no rape



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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    This is the definition of rape per the US Justice Department:
    “The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”
    USDOJ: Attorney General Eric Holder Announces Revisions to the Uniform Crime Report’s Definition of Rape

    She claims:
    Espinosa insists that he coerced her, psychologically and physically, into having sex against her will

    So her claims fit the definition.

    The question is, how do you prove such a thing? Is it even possible without a confession from the accused?

    We may never know if what transpired between the two of them was consensual or if she was or was coerced. The problem here, in this thread, is the willingness of so many to not only immediately dismiss her claims but go on to accuse her of being a pissed off bitch and a whore. Based on what!? You are in effect doing to her exactly what you are screaming is the injustice being done to him. Why does he have such instant credibility and why does she have so little?
    Rape victims don't act the way she acts. That's why she has zero credibility.

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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    No, I'm saying that at this point we don't know the details of her claim that she was physically and psychologically coerced either because she is unwilling to share them or they have not come out yet. That does not mean that they don't exist.

    You're behavior is a little over the top given what we know for sure. A whore...really? A pissed off bitch....really? You are discrediting yourself.
    Whereas you're casually discrediting the authenticity of every woman who ever demonstrably suffered such an ordeal.

    Aren't they your 'sisters' too?

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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Is it just me or is it more then a little disturbing that we trust peoples judgment enough when they are empowered to determine that a threat is "real" enough to shoot someone but we won't trust a woman's judgment enough to decide for herself when she has been forced to have sex against her will. Hmmm


    We do neither and the two do not compare.


    One is an affirmative defense against murder, and typically requires that available evidence meet specific legal standards of self-defense.

    The other is an accusation levied against someone who is presumed innocent... and our standard is always that evidence must conclude guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, we don't incarcerate simply on someone's say-so.

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