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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    An incident that I referred to in an earlier post fits this bill perfectly, but (1) it is way too NSFW to reproduce here, and (2) I do not trust you or anyone else on this thread, except for opendebate and maybe one other, to react appropriately to it.

    Now it's time you establish YOUR credibility and defend YOUR views. I want to see a definition of sexual consent from you.
    Absolutely not. You haven't answered any of my questions yet.

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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I'll rephrase if you need it spelled out. After the second instance it's no longer rape if she stayed in the relationship voluntarily.
    Excuse me?? You, sir, just condoned rape. If you are in a relationship, I hope your partner sees this post so that she or he can know to run for the hills and never look back.
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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    So . . . if your boyfriend says to you, "if you don't give me a blow job, I'm going to leave you" and you do it, but then he leaves you anyway, is that a form of rape?
    My point is, you don't know the details of what she is calling psychological and physical coercion. So why dismiss her claims so easily?
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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    You are out of your mind if you think I am going to divulge ANY info about that. You have not established any credibility, let alone trust, on the matter of rape and sexual assault.
    ROFL! That's because you don't have information to divulge. I think that much is obvious to everyone. NSFW?! Give me a break.

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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Absolutely not. You haven't answered any of my questions yet.
    You are a woman, right?
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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by instagramsci View Post
    Emotional manipulation is coercion. When coercion is used to convince a person to have sex or engage in sexual activities when s/he does not want to do so, this is sexual assault.
    I'm pretty disgusted by people who blame rape victims for being victimized, but it appears from the article that Espinosa is stretching the definition of rape past the breaking point, which harms the credibility of real victims. Unless we are missing something, as an adult Espinosa had the ability and reponsibility to stand up for herself diring the three year relationship. Also one can't withdraw consent after the fact. Perhaps there is more to the story, so we should not be too certain abot the situation, but that is how it seems.

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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    I'm with ChrisL here, boyfriend may have been a cad and abusive, but if she stayed in the relationship for 3 years because she was not self aware enough to stand up for herself and leave it, that does not throw his actions over into the criminal rape category. I don't see where the university has any responsibility in the case, it was between two individuals until a complaint is brought. The lesson that needs to be learned is by the young lady; stand up for yourself, if you are not comfortable with a situation then you need to get yourself out of it. At the very least call a halt and discuss what's going on. Also, if the young man does not want to drive away women, he could learn to be more respectful.

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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Excuse me?? You, sir, just condoned rape. If you are in a relationship, I hope your partner sees this post so that she or he can know to run for the hills and never look back.
    Been married 45 years, thank you. And no, I did not condone rape, so knock off the phony PC police routine. Once is certainly rape. Twice might be rape. If she stays in the relationship after that she really can't claim that.
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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    My point is, you don't know the details of what she is calling psychological and physical coercion. So why dismiss her claims so easily?
    Because an adult female is not considered "coerced" into sex unless there is some level of force/threats of violence involved. Just because you had sex with someone and regret it doesn't mean it's rape. If the female in question was a minor, it would be different, but adults are responsible for their own actions.

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    Re: Ending Rape On Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I'll rephrase if you need it spelled out. After the second instance it's no longer rape if she stayed in the relationship voluntarily.
    You are implying that you have a "right" to sex once someone has done it with you. You never have a "right" to sex. If only one person consents, it doesn't matter how many times you've done it already, it's rape.
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