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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    If I have to explain to a woman about rape, that would be like a white man having to explain to a black man about racism. But given your profound ignorance and denial on this topic, I may wind up having to.
    "Coercion" is not a valid excuse for an adult. That is only valid in cases that involve children and statutory rape. You really should educate yourself. A "bad relationship" or even an "abusive relationship" does not equal rape. Sorry, but it doesn't.

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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Possible trigger warning (hell, this whole damn thread needs a trigger warning):
    That's hysterical (or it would be if wasn't so close to reality)
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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Kind of like the average domestic violence victim who is beaten 35 times before they call the cops for the first time.
    She said there was no violence and no force. For God's sake, she says that he didn't even threaten her!

    Obviously she is bitter about a bad relationship, and because she regrets her decision to stay in this bad relationship, she wants to call it "rape" now. That is just nuts.

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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Please provide for us a definition of "informed consent."



    When you provide me one of "physical coercion" that apparently excludes holding, violence or threats.

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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I hate to resort to this but....

    RAPE:
    1-the unlawful compelling of a person through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
    2-any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.

    Are we actually having the "No really means no" conversation again.
    I don't think anyone disagree's with this definition.

    The problem lies in many people who wish to expand the definition. For example no reasonable person would object to a charge of rape if someone were to take advantage of a person who is unconscious. Others however would call it rape if a person is conscious but drunk. If two people are drinking and they have sex which one is the rapist?

    Or in the example being discussed here in this thread. A person alleges to have been the victim of rape but will only allude to some vague claim of coercion. Possibly true? Yes! Possibly a lie? Yes !

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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    No PHYSICAL force. But perhaps DURESS (the use of force, false imprisonment or threats (and possibly psychological torture or "brainwashing") to compel someone to act contrary to his/her wishes or interests).

    I am merely trying to make the point that it can be considered rape without the use of physical force. Psychological torture or coercion can also make it rape. As for this case I don't know enough of the specifics about what this woman experienced to claim that rape did occur but neither do I know enough right now to just dismiss her claims.
    Good Lord, I swear some people are just dense. SHE said there was NO FORCE and NO THREATS.

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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    She said there was no violence and no force.
    The point is that if the average domestic abuse victim is beaten that many times before they first seek help, it doesn't surprise me in the least that anybody else being abused in a relationship -- even if they aren't being beaten -- would wait to seek help.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Please provide for us a definition of "informed consent."
    How would it undermine his argument, which was based on the contradictory nature of her claim about "physical coercion"?

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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    DERP. Of course I read the article. HERE are the first four paragraphs, and she gives NO explanation as to what she means by "physical coercion." Interesting, how a month AFTER the relationship ended is when she decided to make rape allegations too. She sounds nuttier than squirrel poop IMO.
    If you can honestly read that and conclude that she is not alleging sexual assault, then you have just proven your unquestionable ignorance of this subject. It's because of people like you who trivialize her case that she has the right not to reveal the details. Do you have any idea about the suicide rates of rape survivors? Geez, your comments remind me of people who feel they have the right to know what is going on in everyone's bedroom. Why are you so interested, in the details, Chris? What pleasure are you missing out on by not knowing what happened? Do you have some kind of fetish that you feel needs satisfying? I'm serious about this. I feel like I'm having a debate with someone who can't understand why murdering someone is a bad thing.
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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    The point is that if the average domestic abuse victim is beaten that many times before they first seek help, it doesn't surprise me in the least that anybody else being abused in a relationship -- even if they aren't being beaten -- would wait to seek help.
    That still does not equate to rape.

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