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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    She said he didn't pin her down or threaten violence, her words. If she says he didn't THREATEN violence, I think it is safe to assume he didn't CONDUCT actual violence either.

    That pretty much leaves out most of what you listed, and leaves me wondering again, what does she mean by "physical coercion' when she seems to be excluding most of what I would think of as such.


    I don't know, I'm just asking because on the face of it, it seems contradictory.

    I realize you think that's a safe assumption to make, but I also know from experience that when someone talks about something that traumatic, they don't always choose the best phrasing -- especially if they disassociate in the middle of the discussion. ChrisL asked for examples of physical coercion, and I supplied a few. For all I know, it could've been repeatedly throwing her down on the bed.
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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    IAre we actually having the "No really means no" conversation again.
    only in your head

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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I already quoted the section multiple times, as have others, where she states she was never forced into having sex with her boyfriend of 3 years.
    So, no, you didn't read the article. Because you would have found the answer in the first three paragraphs.
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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Why do you keep avoiding addressing the content of my posts: that the nature of her advocacy makes the validity of her allegations "our business"?



    lol, you do not even know if her allegations are true and I never suggested you needed to feel sorry for anyone
    The posts are childish, especially considering the subject matter, not to mention he makes no effort to back his claim that this is rape, just tosses insults around.

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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    She said NO FORCE. So now explain it.
    No PHYSICAL force. But perhaps DURESS (the use of force, false imprisonment or threats (and possibly psychological torture or "brainwashing") to compel someone to act contrary to his/her wishes or interests).

    I am merely trying to make the point that it can be considered rape without the use of physical force. Psychological torture or coercion can also make it rape. As for this case I don't know enough of the specifics about what this woman experienced to claim that rape did occur but neither do I know enough right now to just dismiss her claims.
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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Yes, he was her boyfriend. No, he hadn't pinned her down, or threatened violence. But Espinosa insists that he coerced her, psychologically and physically, into having sex against her will for most of their three-year relationship.

    That just sounds contradictory, and calls the definition of physical coercion into question.

    The university investigated and found...

    It took five months for school administrators to reach the conclusion that Espinosa's complaint was "unsubstantiated."

    Anyone can make an accusation, that doesn't make it real... you have to substantiate it. Apparently the U did not find it so.


    This is why I'm questioning HER individual case... **** doesn't add up quite right.

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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Again, the woman said there was no force or even THREATS of violence. Since you are so gung-ho to call this rape, please give us some examples of physical coercion that are used on an adult woman for sex that are not related to the use of force or threats.
    If I have to explain to a woman about rape, that would be like a white man having to explain to a black man about racism. But given your profound ignorance and denial on this topic, I may wind up having to.
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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    That just sounds contradictory, and calls the definition of physical coercion into question.

    The university investigated and found...




    Anyone can make an accusation, that doesn't make it real... you have to substantiate it. Apparently the U did not find it so.


    This is why I'm questioning HER individual case... **** doesn't add up quite right.
    Please provide for us a definition of "informed consent."
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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    So, no, you didn't read the article. Because you would have found the answer in the first three paragraphs.
    DERP. Of course I read the article. HERE are the first four paragraphs, and she gives NO explanation as to what she means by "physical coercion." Interesting, how a month AFTER the relationship ended is when she decided to make rape allegations too. She sounds nuttier than squirrel poop IMO.

    Yes, he was her boyfriend. No, he hadn't pinned her down, or threatened violence. But Espinosa insists that he coerced her, psychologically and physically, into having sex against her will for most of their three-year relationship.

    "I knew that it was sexual assault, but at the time, I felt extreme shame and was not ready nor willing to fully accept what was happening," said Espinosa, 24. "Like most unpleasant truths, I buried it until the end of my relationship, when I realized I was holding onto a relationship with a man who was abusive."

    The relationship came to an end in February 2013. The next month, Espinosa filed a sexual harassment claim against her former boyfriend with her school, the University of Texas-Pan American, where some of the incidents occurred.

    She says she went to the school first because she thought that without concrete evidence law enforcement would not take her seriously -- a common experience among people who report rape to law enforcement, experts say. Besides, she knew that colleges and universities are federally mandated to investigate sexual violence under Title IX, a federal civil rights law that guarantees students the right to an education free of sexual violence, which is considered a form of discrimination.

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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Interesting, how a month AFTER the relationship ended is when she decided to make rape allegations too. She sounds nuttier than squirrel poop IMO.
    Kind of like the average domestic violence victim who is beaten 35 times before they call the cops for the first time.
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