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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    She said there was NO force. Doesn't that mean she gave her consent? Just because she regrets it NOW, doesn't make it rape.
    Step 1: Go to the first page of this thread.
    Step 2: Find the OP and click on the link.
    Step 3: READ.

    The "we weren't there, so we can't know what happened" defense works for rape apologists no more than it does for creationists (paging Ken Ham). I would much rather take the victim's word for what happened than I trust an armchair quarterback.
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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    So what? He made her horny and want sex? Maybe that's her definition of "physical coercion" and "rape."

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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Wow. I hope she has been able to cope and return to some semblance of a normal life.
    She has her good days and her bad days, like everyone else. She also addressed groups of students where she went to college, sharing her experiences so that they'd know they weren't alone and to encourage them to get help. They asked her questions and she thought it was reasonable for them to do so for the same reasons.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Step 1: Go to the first page of this thread.
    Step 2: Find the OP and click on the link.
    Step 3: READ.

    The "we weren't there, so we can't know what happened" defense works for rape apologists no more than it does for creationists (paging Ken Ham). I would much rather take the victim's word for what happened than I trust an armchair quarterback.
    I already quoted the section multiple times, as have others, where she states she was never forced into having sex with her boyfriend of 3 years.

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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I imagine that being beaten, choked, slapped around, or being threatened with a weapon all qualify as physical coercion -- and that's just off the top of my head.

    To intercept your inevitable question, why didn't she include those details in her account to CNN if she's telling the truth, the first explanation that comes to mind is that it was too painful for her to recount in detail.


    She said he didn't pin her down or threaten violence, her words. If she says he didn't THREATEN violence, I think it is safe to assume he didn't CONDUCT actual violence either.

    That pretty much leaves out most of what you listed, and leaves me wondering again, what does she mean by "physical coercion' when she seems to be excluding most of what I would think of as such.


    I don't know, I'm just asking because on the face of it, it seems contradictory.

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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    She said NO FORCE. So now explain it.
    For the Nth time, she said no such thing. Please stop misrepresenting her.
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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I hate to resort to this but....

    RAPE:
    1-the unlawful compelling of a person through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
    2-any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.

    Are we actually having the "No really means no" conversation again.
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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Here it is again. It clearly states he hadn't pinned her down AND he hadn't even threatened her with violence!

    Yes, he was her boyfriend. No, he hadn't pinned her down, or threatened violence. But Espinosa insists that he coerced her, psychologically and physically, into having sex against her will for most of their three-year relationship.
    So HOW do you "physically coerce" someone into having sex against their will without the use of force? And HOW does that equal rape?

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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Good, and I hope those changes go into effect. Anti-woman attitudes such as the ones infesting this thread are the first problems that need to go.
    Why do you keep avoiding addressing the content of my posts: that the nature of her advocacy makes the validity of her allegations "our business"?

    And boo-hoo, am I supposed to feel sorry for a rapist? Kind of like the Steubenville, OH and Marysville, MO rapists?
    lol, you do not even know if her allegations are true and I never suggested you needed to feel sorry for anyone

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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Possible trigger warning (hell, this whole damn thread needs a trigger warning):
    Again, the woman said there was no force or even THREATS of violence. Since you are so gung-ho to call this rape, please give us some examples of physical coercion that are used on an adult woman for sex that are not related to the use of force or threats.

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