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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    This is what she says.



    I'm sorry, but she could just be a crazy lady for all we know, and it sounds quite plausible when a person makes contradictory statements such as this.


    Yeah that is what I am not getting...

    Yes, he was her boyfriend. No, he hadn't pinned her down, or threatened violence. But Espinosa insists that he coerced her, psychologically and physically, into having sex against her will for most of their three-year relationship.

    ... so what does she mean 'physically coerced'? Doesn't make sense....

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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    All that matters is that both parties give informed consent. If one does not, it's rape, period, end of discussion.
    She said there was NO force. Doesn't that mean she gave her consent? Just because she regrets it NOW, doesn't make it rape.

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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Because she went public with her story.

    Yes, actually. We're married and have a couple of kids.

    Absolutely true.
    Wow. I hope she has been able to cope and return to some semblance of a normal life.
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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    OK, 6% false. That coincides with the less-than-10% figure I gave earlier. Many, many rape victims do not go through with the trial because the odds are often stacked hopelessly against them. Many of those reasons can be seen right here in this thread, all of which boil down to not believing what she has to say.
    That is because if tere is no evidence then there is no evidence and if there is no evidence then it is reasonable to conclude she may be lying.

    This is why your claim that false accusations are less than 10 % of all accusations is a false claim you wish to assume that an unproven accusation is truthful. They are not by definition. Some of them may be true with no courtroom worthy evidence while others are false but it is impossible to seperate the two objectively. The fact is unless it can be proven we have no way of knowing if it happened and in fact those with an agenda do push for acceptance of any accusation without proof.

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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    I hate to resort to this but....

    RAPE:
    1-the unlawful compelling of a person through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
    2-any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.

    Are we actually having the "No really means no" conversation again.
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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Yeah that is what I am not getting...




    ... so what does she mean 'physically coerced'? Doesn't make sense....
    That's what I'm wondering, and I have yet to have anyone come forward to give examples of this coercion because I don't think they really get it either. I would think "physical coercion" as a type of "force" yet she states there was no force.

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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Give me some examples please because I honestly cannot think of any reasonable examples of this.
    I imagine that being beaten, choked, slapped around, or being threatened with a weapon all qualify as physical coercion -- and that's just off the top of my head.

    To intercept your inevitable question, why didn't she include those details in her account to CNN if she's telling the truth, the first explanation that comes to mind is that it was too painful for her to recount in detail.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I hate to resort to this but....

    RAPE:
    1-the unlawful compelling of a person through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
    2.
    any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.

    Are we actually having the "No really means no" conversation again.
    She said NO FORCE. So now explain it.

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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Many, many rape victims do not go through with the trial because the odds are often stacked hopelessly against them. Many of those reasons can be seen right here in this thread, all of which boil down to not believing what she has to say.
    I can just as easily claim they didn't go through with the prosecution because they new their false allegations would be found out. But I don't like simply making **** up. So, my fact still remains: the number of false allegations, when compared to the number of investigations that actually go to trial, account for a much more significant number than what your earlier link suggested

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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I imagine that being beaten, choked, slapped around, or being threatened with a weapon all qualify as physical coercion -- and that's just off the top of my head.

    To intercept your inevitable question, why didn't she include those details in her account to CNN if she's telling the truth, the first explanation that comes to mind is that it was too painful for her to recount in detail.
    That's force. Being beaten into submission is force. Being threatened with your life is FORCE.

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