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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    WTF is "actual rape" Mr Akin?
    Well since I'm not "Mr. Akin?" Whoever that is, I guess you must have mistakenly quoted my post.

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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    The reason why I brought up the personal-day analogy is that in most cases, whatever the person is dealing with is nowhere nearly as traumatic as rape. It is exceedingly cruel to demand that a rape survivor share the details of that horrible moment. And that's not to mention that we live in a society that is still quite repressed about sexuality.
    I agree, but if you're going to talk to the public about your experience, I don't think there's anyone wrong with asking for the details.
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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    This thread is moving fast, so apologies if I miss your post. That, and I have stuff to take care of later today.
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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Puh-lease. Rape apologists have manufactured an entire system of myths, many of which are listed in that source and that you almost certainly didn't read--to maintain the system of oppression of women. They won't listen to the survivors, because that would threaten the very system that gives them their power over women.
    Uh wrong.

    There are no rape apologists in this forum, I am sure you could point toward uncivilized sub - cultures such as those engaging in honor killings as evidence but those are fringe sub - cultures for a reason.

    The norm is not the claims you are making. Rape is a heinous crime and most reasonable people agree with this. The mythology of the patriarchy however deliberately ignores the real power base of women oppressing men by labeling all of them as potential rapists and repeating the proven false claims of rape myths which do not exist.

    I did read your source and it is an illegitimate unreliable pile of nonsense which repeats what has never been fact.

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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Are there any details available on what exactly she means by "physically coerced"? People say things, and they don't always mean what it sounds like they mean...
    Not that I've been able to find, and I've definitely been looking.




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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    That that I've been able to find, and I've definitely been looking.
    This is what she says.

    Yes, he was her boyfriend. No, he hadn't pinned her down, or threatened violence. But Espinosa insists that he coerced her, psychologically and physically, into having sex against her will for most of their three-year relationship.
    I'm sorry, but she could just be a crazy lady for all we know, and it sounds quite plausible when a person makes contradictory statements such as this.

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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Oh of course. Because, hey, there's a 2-5% chance that she's wrong, and any good betting man would bet on those kind of odds. Give me a break.
    Wrong the odds are 50%/50% she is lying

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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Puh-lease. Rape apologists have manufactured an entire system of myths, many of which are listed in that source and that you almost certainly didn't read--to maintain the system of oppression of women. They won't listen to the survivors, because that would threaten the very system that gives them their power over women.
    actually he has a point on the claims your source makes on false rape allegations:

    <<<Of the 136 cases of sexual assault 8 (5.9%) were coded as false reports, 61 (44.9%) did not proceed to any prosecution or disciplinary action, 48 (35.3%) were referred for prosecution or disciplinary action, and 19 (13.9%) contained insufficient information to be coded>>>

    If you look at the data, very few rape allegations can be determined to be worth prosecuting or determined to be false, with most having an "undecided" factor to them. So when we simply compare the numbers determined as false (5.9%) to those prosecuted (13.9%) and where guilt wasn't even determined yet. The number of false allegations tend to stand out to a much greater degree and account for half the allegations that make it as far as prosecution

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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I agree, but if you're going to talk to the public about your experience, I don't think there's anyone wrong with asking for the details.
    Why? Why do we have any right to know? Have you ever had a rape/sexual assault survivor tell you her story, in detail? I don't mean just bits and pieces, such as "he did X on Y date at Z location. I mean the full story, in every detail she can remember, from start to finish. Let me tell you right now, if you are ever trusted enough to hear such an account, and you do hear such an account, then you will never look at sexual assault the same way again.
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    re: Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    This is what she says.



    I'm sorry, but she could just be a crazy lady for all we know, and it sounds quite plausible when a person makes contradictory statements such as this.

    She doesn't contradict herself. She says that while she wasn't pinned or threatened, she was physically coerced. That's force.
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