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Iran sending warships close to US borders[W:623]

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:lamo Says our resident "foreign affairs expert." Obviously our REAL military experts disagree with your assessment. What is your degree and exactly what insider knowledge and top secret intelligence data are you privy to that allows you to make such an arrogant assumption?

What is required to know in order to understand that bullying and provoking countries will cause them not to like you? Think of it on a personal level if it helps you.
 
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What is required to know in order to understand that bullying and provoking countries will cause them not to like you? Think of it on a personal level if it helps you.

Some countries HAVE to be bullied. It's the only language they understand. You must have the observation skills of a newborn if you don't realize this. The world is NOT a nice friendly place. Realize that.
 
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Does Iran have friends? Who are their friends?

You really dispute that Iran has friends, or you just dismiss their friends because you hate them too?
 
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You really dispute that Iran has friends, or you just dismiss their friends because you hate them too?

Okay, name their friends.
 
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When dealing with countries led by insane dictatorships, of course. That is just plain old common sense. :doh This is NOT Candy Land. This is the real world, and it is ruthless.

You stay your ass out of other people's internal affairs if you want warm relations, hopefully you learn that as you mature.
 
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Of course I do, and in every single war there are civilian casualties. DERP! There is no avoiding that.

That's the calloused attitude that causes Iranians to hate you!
 
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You stay your ass out of other people's internal affairs if you want warm relations, hopefully you learn that as you mature.

There is no such thing as "warm relations" with some countries. You cannot negotiate with insanity.
 
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It is striking that those defending Iran as being almost more altruistic than the US in terms of equality in moral wrongs, as if the two can even be compared, are the same people that regularly abhor any melding of religion and state in the US, while embracing a culture in Persia that has at least since 1979, been dominated by a theocracy...

Personally I don't defend Iran's human rights record. I'm critical of US menacing foreign policy with them. Funny how so many are dismissive of our toppling of their government in 1953. It's absolutely no wonder that Iran hates us.
 
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That's the calloused attitude that causes Iranians to hate you!

It's not an "attitude." It's a fact. Get a grip on your emotional self.
 
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Personally I don't defend Iran's human rights record. I'm critical of US menacing foreign policy with them. Funny how so many are dismissive of our toppling of their government in 1953. It's absolutely no wonder that Iran hates us.

That's because if someone doesn't put their foot down with this country, they will be menacing everyone else. This a country run by hateful, extremist, irrational people.
 
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Iran hated us LONG before the Afghanistan/Iraq wars. Are you for real?

Jesus Christ girl, do you read much? I told you already that Iran has hated us at least since we facilitated the overthrow of their government in 1953. You have no historical knowledge of this subject, talking to you is wasting my time!!
 
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Jesus Christ girl, do you read much? I told you already that Iran has hated us at least since we facilitated the overthrow of their government in 1953. You have no historical knowledge of this subject, talking to you is wasting my time!!

You were talking about the drone strikes. Don't try to back pedal now because you were wrong. We weren't using drones in the 1950s.
 
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we don't have to be "friends" -what good does it do to keep them as strategic enemies? Saudi Arabia (our so called "friend") also hangs drug dealers -they are a FUNDAMENATALIST religious country.
Yet we have a strategic partnership with them.

You know what detente' is right? If it was good enough for the USSR , it's good enough for Iran. I don't trust them not to get nukes either (hiding centrifuges) ; but I don't really care.
Nuclear proliferation is going to happen -Saudi Arabia is looking for new partners, no reason they can't buy nukes from Pakistan ( the biggest proliferator).

Nukes aren't that big a deal; it's the one weapon that cannot be used. By marginalyzing Iran; it sets up tensions for no reason.
we have the 6th fleet there - they know they cannot use any strategic weapons - they are training foreign jihadists for Syria.

If we are ever going to 'solve Syria" we have to be able to talk. Talk is always better then cold wars.

Yes, and Obama tried this tactic, and it failed. I'm quite sure he isn't the only one who has tried to negotiate with the insane regime and failed, therefore resorting to "bully" tactics.
 
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Yes, and Obama tried this tactic, and it failed. I'm quite sure he isn't the only one who has tried to negotiate with the insane regime and failed, therefore resorting to "bully" tactics.
it hasn't "failed". Talks are in an interim agreement - supposed to pick up again. Not going to go over this continually with you; what bully tactics do you want? I respect your opinion.
 
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Personally I don't defend Iran's human rights record. I'm critical of US menacing foreign policy with them. Funny how so many are dismissive of our toppling of their government in 1953. It's absolutely no wonder that Iran hates us.

Nonsense. The US has a responsibility to the world, or at least so we are told whenever the world gets itself into trouble....You opine that the US is a bully because we try and keep the world from annihilating itself in skirmishes over trivialities that bring centuries long wars, cold, or hot, to modern catastrophes.

We are damned if we do, and damned if we don't....We have tried both....But when the chips are down the overwhelming cry of the world is "where is the US?" So spare me the self loathing, or self guilt over being born in the greatest country on the face of the earth, with the strongest military ever seen since the Roman empire, that is not used for conquest.

Get with the program here, because the voices that are tearing down, or eroding the authority of America to remain as the preeminent force for peace, and good in the world, are the same voices that turn a blind eye as Assad kills hundreds of thousands, the same that refuses to lift a finger as millions die in Rwanda by the machetes blade, and the same voice that choose the naive path of considering every despot in the world as equal in moral authority, when that despot would kill you first, after your defense of them achieved their dominance.

Neville Chamberlain was not wrong in the 30s because he wanted peace in our time, he was wrong because in his aspiration of that peace he refused to see his adversary for who they were. And that type of miscalculation of others lives on in today's liberal.
 
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You don't know anything about the drone program, do you?

it hasn't "failed". Talks are in an interim agreement - supposed to pick up again. Not going to go over this continually with you; what bully tactics do you want? I respect your opinion.

When I say "bully tactics," I am referring to what others call it. I don't consider sanctions to be bullying Iran but to be a necessary reaction to their actions and threats. They cannot get away with constantly threatening the economic welfare (and the welfare in general) of the international community. They just cannot. The onus is on them to learn how to cooperate with everyone else, not the other way around.

I mean, if they want to hold a grudge forever, then so be it, although that scenario really doesn't make sense either since our alleged meddling resulted is the reason why the current leadership is in control of Iran. According to some, we pull all the strings, so why would the leadership hate us?

In this world, we have to watch out for our own best interests to survive as a country. We support Israel and NOT Iran because it benefits us to do so obviously.

Of all the things Iran does to PROVE it is run by irrational leaders, I don't know what you would expect from anyone. Like I keep saying, you cannot negotiate with insanity. It's like trying to reason with a drunk!! Then, you are left with few options, but these kinds of threats cannot just go ignored.
 
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It's remarkable for anyone to consider Iran a belligerent when Saudi Arabia is in the region. Heck, Pakistan is a bigger antagonist than Iran and they're a nuclear power.

chrisL needs to brush up on her geopolitics because she is way off. Probably has some connection to Defense contractors.
 
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Well, the one thing we KNOW, is that they aren't being repaired by democrats.

They won't be repaired by partisans of either stripe, as their objective is to get as much power to their party as possible, and not to fix anything that needs fixing.
 
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It's remarkable for anyone to consider Iran a belligerent when Saudi Arabia is in the region. Heck, Pakistan is a bigger antagonist than Iran and they're a nuclear power.

chrisL needs to brush up on her geopolitics because she is way off. Probably has some connection to Defense contractors.

Oh, a straw man. Belligerent Saudi Arabia or Pakistan is not the topic of the thread. This thread is about IRAN and their belligerence.
 
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They won't be repaired by partisans of either stripe, as their objective is to get as much power to their party as possible, and not to fix anything that needs fixing.

Totally agree. The partisans are not interested in fixing problems but only in gaining voters and power. There has to be a happy medium between kissing their arses and going to war.
 
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Nonsense. The US has a responsibility to the world, or at least so we are told whenever the world gets itself into trouble....You opine that the US is a bully because we try and keep the world from annihilating itself in skirmishes over trivialities that bring centuries long wars, cold, or hot, to modern catastrophes.

We are damned if we do, and damned if we don't....We have tried both....But when the chips are down the overwhelming cry of the world is "where is the US?" So spare me the self loathing, or self guilt over being born in the greatest country on the face of the earth, with the strongest military ever seen since the Roman empire, that is not used for conquest.

Get with the program here, because the voices that are tearing down, or eroding the authority of America to remain as the preeminent force for peace, and good in the world, are the same voices that turn a blind eye as Assad kills hundreds of thousands, the same that refuses to lift a finger as millions die in Rwanda by the machetes blade, and the same voice that choose the naive path of considering every despot in the world as equal in moral authority, when that despot would kill you first, after your defense of them achieved their dominance.

Neville Chamberlain was not wrong in the 30s because he wanted peace in our time, he was wrong because in his aspiration of that peace he refused to see his adversary for who they were. And that type of miscalculation of others lives on in today's liberal.

This post is so great. I agree with it 100%. :)
 
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If a country "attacks" us, I don't think the reason WHY is at the top of my list of things to worry about. I'd be more concerned with defending ourselves and having the means to do so.

Do I think this latest dumb threat means anything? Of course not, it's just more posturing and nothing more. What are they going to do with their old outdated couple of ships against our state-of-the-art fleets?

I thought the same, until I read this...

“Iran has purchased Russia's Club-K missile system. The Club-K is a complete missile launch system, disguised to look like a shipping container, that could convert any freighter into a missile launch platform. The Club-K, if armed with a nuclear warhead, could be used to execute an EMP attack.”

Remember, 9/11 was just a bunch of people armed with box cutters and plane hijackings. Recently, a few armed snipers shooting at transformers in Southern CA, almost took down their power grid.

It doesn't take massive power to cripple a giant, just strategic blows at weaknesses.
 
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I thought the same, until I read this...

“Iran has purchased Russia's Club-K missile system. The Club-K is a complete missile launch system, disguised to look like a shipping container, that could convert any freighter into a missile launch platform. The Club-K, if armed with a nuclear warhead, could be used to execute an EMP attack.”

Remember, 9/11 was just a bunch of people armed with box cutters and plane hijackings. Recently, a few armed snipers shooting at transformers in Southern CA, almost took down their power grid.

It doesn't take massive power to cripple a giant, just strategic blows at weaknesses.

Interesting. There is just another reason why we should never take threats lying down. Why anyone would suggest such a thing, I don't know.
 
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Nonsense. The US has a responsibility to the world, or at least so we are told whenever the world gets itself into trouble....You opine that the US is a bully because we try and keep the world from annihilating itself in skirmishes over trivialities that bring centuries long wars, cold, or hot, to modern catastrophes.

We are damned if we do, and damned if we don't....We have tried both....But when the chips are down the overwhelming cry of the world is "where is the US?" So spare me the self loathing, or self guilt over being born in the greatest country on the face of the earth, with the strongest military ever seen since the Roman empire, that is not used for conquest.

Get with the program here, because the voices that are tearing down, or eroding the authority of America to remain as the preeminent force for peace, and good in the world, are the same voices that turn a blind eye as Assad kills hundreds of thousands, the same that refuses to lift a finger as millions die in Rwanda by the machetes blade, and the same voice that choose the naive path of considering every despot in the world as equal in moral authority, when that despot would kill you first, after your defense of them achieved their dominance.

Neville Chamberlain was not wrong in the 30s because he wanted peace in our time, he was wrong because in his aspiration of that peace he refused to see his adversary for who they were. And that type of miscalculation of others lives on in today's liberal.

Oh for Pete's sake. What an elitist attitude, the US is not the saviour of the world, and those people have been doing there thing over there for millennia and along comes the snot nosed, know it all Americans to tell them how to fix everything. Our domestic problems, unaddressed are eventually going to be dealt with, or we won't be worrying about the foreign. But if its your blood and your money, go for it.

And your reference to the strong military that isn't for conquest is a lie. Everything we've done in the ME region has been conquest of the oil. It's always been about keeping the oil flowing. US foreign policy doesn't think twice about humanitarian concerns, though it sells and is the stated purpose for so many missions. Our military has destroyed too many civilian lives and property damage would by now be in tens of trillions, or more, god knows. Our drone strikes are destroying our credibility, fragile as it was.

The good news is that there is a change in the air, and other countries are asserting themselves more, and hopefully there is a balancing of power underway.
 
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I thought the same, until I read this...

“Iran has purchased Russia's Club-K missile system. The Club-K is a complete missile launch system, disguised to look like a shipping container, that could convert any freighter into a missile launch platform. The Club-K, if armed with a nuclear warhead, could be used to execute an EMP attack.”

Remember, 9/11 was just a bunch of people armed with box cutters and plane hijackings. Recently, a few armed snipers shooting at transformers in Southern CA, almost took down their power grid.

It doesn't take massive power to cripple a giant, just strategic blows at weaknesses.

This is true. The US military recently found a weak spot for ship launched medium/short range missles that could strike Washington DC. Terrorists are bad enough, but terrorists with better weapons are of even more concern.
 
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