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Iran sending warships close to US borders[W:623]

Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

grip said:
They're not stupid, but they are unpredictable and delusional. If they thought they could anonymously detonate an EMP over our population, without retaliation they might try it. I now think, they're pushing this scenario by plausibility alone, to strengthen their hand in nuke negotiations with the State Department against Israel. Just the threat of an EMP is enough to freak out civilian leadership, because of the enormous financial and economic damage it would cause.
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You could be right. I don't pretend to have special insight into the minds or motives of Iranian leaders. But, it has been my observation, that destruction waged by fanatical terrorists is always for a purpose--to retaliate or to send a message/warning or some other kind of demonstration. Thus they don't do it anonymously. It serves no good purpose if they don't get credit (and recognition/admiration) for it. And since Iran could not possibly believe they could take out our military with a single blow, and that such an act would likely result in swift retaliation--though with our current fearless leader in the White House who knows about that?--so. . . .

. . . my best guess is they hope that such an attack would trigger a shooting war, hopefully with Russia and maybe even China. What better way could they find to hurt us the most?
 
Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

grip said:
I want to apologize to others for minimizing their notions that Iran's boats posed, no threat. After reading this article, I believe I could've been off.

This ain't good if our gov allows them to knock out, half the eastern seaboard, with a nuclear-EMP. I'm sure our response, would be to turn Iran into a parking lot, which may set off other reactions.



Expert: Iran ships a dry run for later nuclear/EMP attack; humiliate Obama | WashingtonExaminer.com
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This is an opinion. There's always the next catastrophe that some second or third world country is about to unleash on us. First it was Iraq and mushroom clouds over an American city. Now it's Iran and EMP attacks. Anything to crank up the idle defense contractors manufacturing. I guess Iran's nuclear capability wasn't gaining enough traction.
 
Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

grip said:
I want to apologize to others for minimizing their notions that Iran's boats posed, no threat. After reading this article, I believe I could've been off.

This ain't good if our gov allows them to knock out, half the eastern seaboard, with a nuclear-EMP. I'm sure our response, would be to turn Iran into a parking lot, which may set off other reactions.



Expert: Iran ships a dry run for later nuclear/EMP attack; humiliate Obama | WashingtonExaminer.com
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This article is, IMO, Neo-con nonsense.

So the Iranian's are going to park off the coast of New York so that they can launch nuclear weapons at America?

What on Earth for? To commit suicide?

Within 15 minutes of a missile blowing up, America will be sending a strike to Iran to wipe it from existence. Iran knows this. So what the frig would they gain from it?

And please save the 'they just want to destroy America at ANY cost' nonsense...there is NOTHING anyone can say that would make me believe that.


As for EMP disruptions, similar question...what on Earth for?

America would quickly determine where it came from and who is responsible and retaliate against Iran on a massive scale...which would probably include massive, political decapitating strikes (like obliterating from existence every Iranian federal government building, major political/religious leader home residence it can find).


Political leaders - even massively corrupt ones - crave two things more then political power...surviving and more political power.

Attacking America would end one or both for them EXTREMELY quickly.


This article is just Neo-con delusion.
 
Btw - does anyone actually know how close this Iranian small frigate and it's support ship actually got to America?

The original article was written when they were apparently just coming around South Africa.
 
Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

DA60 said:
This article is, IMO, Neo-con nonsense.

So the Iranian's are going to park off the coast of New York so that they can launch nuclear weapons at America?

What on Earth for? To commit suicide?

Within 15 minutes of a missile blowing up, America will be sending a strike to Iran to wipe it from existence. Iran knows this. So what the frig would they gain from it?

And please save the 'they just want to destroy America at ANY cost' nonsense...there is NOTHING anyone can say that would make me believe that.


As for EMP disruptions, similar question...what on Earth for?

America would quickly determine where it came from and who is responsible and retaliate against Iran on a massive scale...which would probably include massive, political decapitating strikes (like obliterating from existence every Iranian federal government building, major political/religious leader home residence it can find).


Political leaders - even massively corrupt ones - crave two things more then political power...surviving and more political power.

Attacking America would end one or both for them EXTREMELY quickly.


This article is just Neo-con delusion.
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You make inferences beyond the scope of the article. Whats that like?
 
Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

US Conservative said:
You make inferences beyond the scope of the article. Whats that like?
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What on Earth are you talking about?

From the article:

'“Yes, patrols by the Iranian Navy off our coasts could pose threat of a surprise EMP attack,” said Pry, who with others such as former CIA Director R. James Woolsey, has convinced several state legislatures to take moves to harden their electric and energy grids from EMP attack because Washington won't.

Pry said the ships are probably conducting a test for a future visit from an Iranian freighter that would launch the attack.

“I think the Iranian Navy patrols off our coasts may be intended to lull us into complacency, to get the U.S. Navy accustomed to an Iranian naval presence in our hemisphere, so eventually they could contribute to 'Zero Hour' and the great day when the Mullahs decide to drop the nuclear hammer on America,” said Pry, who staffed a former congressional EMP commission.

The article commented about nuclear and EMP attacks.

Plus it's title is:'Expert: Iran ships a dry run for later nuclear/EMP attack'


My 'inferences' are EXACTLY what the article was talking about.
 
Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

DA60 said:
What on Earth are you talking about?

From the article:

'“Yes, patrols by the Iranian Navy off our coasts could pose threat of a surprise EMP attack,” said Pry, who with others such as former CIA Director R. James Woolsey, has convinced several state legislatures to take moves to harden their electric and energy grids from EMP attack because Washington won't.

Pry said the ships are probably conducting a test for a future visit from an Iranian freighter that would launch the attack.

“I think the Iranian Navy patrols off our coasts may be intended to lull us into complacency, to get the U.S. Navy accustomed to an Iranian naval presence in our hemisphere, so eventually they could contribute to 'Zero Hour' and the great day when the Mullahs decide to drop the nuclear hammer on America,” said Pry, who staffed a former congressional EMP commission.

The article commented about nuclear and EMP attacks.

Plus it's title is:'Expert: Iran ships a dry run for later nuclear/EMP attack'


My 'inferences' are EXACTLY what the article was talking about.
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Amongst other things, boy, is the inference of nukes, as well as the silly assertion that you know the thoughts/beliefs/telos of others.

You appear as a bit of a daydream johnny.
 
Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

US Conservative said:
Amongst other things, boy, is the inference of nukes, as well as the silly assertion that you know the thoughts/beliefs/telos of others.

You appear as a bit of a daydream johnny.
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Lol...whatever pal.

I am not wasting any more time on you over this...think whatever you wish.
 
Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

DA60 said:
This article is, IMO, Neo-con nonsense.

So the Iranian's are going to park off the coast of New York so that they can launch nuclear weapons at America?

What on Earth for? To commit suicide?

Within 15 minutes of a missile blowing up, America will be sending a strike to Iran to wipe it from existence. Iran knows this. So what the frig would they gain from it?

And please save the 'they just want to destroy America at ANY cost' nonsense...there is NOTHING anyone can say that would make me believe that.


As for EMP disruptions, similar question...what on Earth for?

America would quickly determine where it came from and who is responsible and retaliate against Iran on a massive scale...which would probably include massive, political decapitating strikes (like obliterating from existence every Iranian federal government building, major political/religious leader home residence it can find).


Political leaders - even massively corrupt ones - crave two things more then political power...surviving and more political power.

Attacking America would end one or both for them EXTREMELY quickly.


This article is just Neo-con delusion.
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I'm not sure why this needs to be explained.
 
Michael Johnson said:
Really? Provide examples.



Give examples on why "Murica!" should bomb Iran to pieces. Give justifications and statistics as to why our state sanctioned killers should remain in the Middle East. Please explain why "law enforcement" officers here in the U.S. are allowed paid time off after murdering children.

Don't preach to me about political talking pap.
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The reason cops who kill people either kids or adults are given paid time off is for the most part due to the police unions that have made it close to impossible to fire dirty cops. Not really police state material there. But don't get me wrong I do feel that this country is headed in that direction. You just need a better example than out of control unions.
 
Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

US Conservative said:
Amongst other things, boy, is the inference of nukes, as well as the silly assertion that you know the thoughts/beliefs/telos of others.

You appear as a bit of a daydream johnny.
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Do you boys ever sleep? :)
 
Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

Montecresto said:
This is an opinion. There's always the next catastrophe that some second or third world country is about to unleash on us. First it was Iraq and mushroom clouds over an American city. Now it's Iran and EMP attacks. Anything to crank up the idle defense contractors manufacturing. I guess Iran's nuclear capability wasn't gaining enough traction.
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DA60 said:
This article is, IMO, Neo-con nonsense.

So the Iranian's are going to park off the coast of New York so that they can launch nuclear weapons at America?

What on Earth for? To commit suicide?

Within 15 minutes of a missile blowing up, America will be sending a strike to Iran to wipe it from existence. Iran knows this. So what the frig would they gain from it?

And please save the 'they just want to destroy America at ANY cost' nonsense...there is NOTHING anyone can say that would make me believe that.


As for EMP disruptions, similar question...what on Earth for?

America would quickly determine where it came from and who is responsible and retaliate against Iran on a massive scale...which would probably include massive, political decapitating strikes (like obliterating from existence every Iranian federal government building, major political/religious leader home residence it can find).


Political leaders - even massively corrupt ones - crave two things more then political power...surviving and more political power.

Attacking America would end one or both for them EXTREMELY quickly.


This article is just Neo-con delusion.
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“Iran has demonstrated the capability to launch a missile off a freighter. Iran has also purchased Russia's Club-K missile system. The Club-K is a complete missile launch system, disguised to look like a shipping container, that could convert any freighter into a missile launch platform. The Club-K, if armed with a nuclear warhead, could be used to execute an EMP attack.”

Dr. Peter Vincent Pry has served: on the Commission on the Strategic Posture of the United States established by the U.S. Congress (2008-2009); as Director of the United States Nuclear Strategy Forum, an advisory body to Congress on policies to counter Weapons of Mass Destruction (2005-2009); on the Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) Attack (also commonly known as the EMP Commission), established by the U.S. Congress (2001-2008); as Professional Staff on the House Armed Services Committee of the U.S. Congress, with portfolios in nuclear strategy, WMD, Russia, China, NATO, the Middle East, intelligence, and terrorism (1995-2001); as an Intelligence Officer with the Central Intelligence Agency responsible for analyzing Soviet and Russian nuclear strategy and operational plans (1985-1995).
 
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grip said:
“Iran has demonstrated the capability to launch a missile off a freighter. Iran has also purchased Russia's Club-K missile system. The Club-K is a complete missile launch system, disguised to look like a shipping container, that could convert any freighter into a missile launch platform. The Club-K, if armed with a nuclear warhead, could be used to execute an EMP attack.”

Dr. Peter Vincent Pry has served: on the Commission on the Strategic Posture of the United States established by the U.S. Congress (2008-2009); as Director of the United States Nuclear Strategy Forum, an advisory body to Congress on policies to counter Weapons of Mass Destruction (2005-2009); on the Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) Attack (also commonly known as the EMP Commission), established by the U.S. Congress (2001-2008); as Professional Staff on the House Armed Services Committee of the U.S. Congress, with portfolios in nuclear strategy, WMD, Russia, China, NATO, the Middle East, intelligence, and terrorism (1995-2001); as an Intelligence Officer with the Central Intelligence Agency responsible for analyzing Soviet and Russian nuclear strategy and operational plans (1985-1995).
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Even if Iran were a threat, this ignores, as most patronising Americans do, but not all, the REASON why Iran or any other country for that matter, may wish to attack America.
 
Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

Montecresto said:
Even if Iran were a threat, this ignores, as most patronising Americans do, but not all, the REASON why Iran or any other country for that matter, may wish to attack America.
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Why would Iran want to attack the USA? You're kidding, right? They call us the "Great Satan" and you wonder if they like us? Besides, I don't think they'll honestly initiate an attack, only the ruse for bargaining power, over nuclear technology.
 
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/news_106997.htm
First of four US Navy ships to support NATO Ballistic Missile Defense arrives in Spain
Three additional ships of the same class will join the USS Donald Cook over the next two years. Aegis ballistic missile-defence system is permanently based in Europe”
The USS Donald Cook and her sister ships have advanced sensor capabilities and interceptor missiles which can detect and shoot down ballistic missiles.

By hosting these ships, Spain is making a vital contribution to NATO Missile Defence, enhancing the security of Europe, the Mediterranean, and the Atlantic Ocean, while shortening the response time for U.S. ships
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I'm not losing any sleep over the Iranian destroyer & helicopter platform
 
Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

Montecresto said:
Even if Iran were a threat, this ignores, as most patronising Americans do, but not all, the REASON why Iran or any other country for that matter, may wish to attack America.
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Examining the reasons why Iran would attack the US if it could get away with it involves taking a critical look at US foreign policy over the past few decades. No one is allowed to criticize US foreign policy without being labeled an America hating liberal.
 
Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

grip said:
Why would Iran want to attack the USA? You're kidding, right? They call us the "Great Satan" and you wonder if they like us? Besides, I don't think they'll honestly initiate an attack, only the ruse for bargaining power, over nuclear technology.
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Who said he wondered if they like us? You're kidding right?? They hate us, to them we are the great satan, and for good reason, too!!
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Examining the reasons why Iran would attack the US if it could get away with it involves taking a critical look at US foreign policy over the past few decades. No one is allowed to criticize US foreign policy without being labeled an America hating liberal.
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I heard that, literally!! See, and you also bring out the very good point "if it could get away with it" acting alone, Iran WILL NOT be doing that. And you can cash that check, it will clear. But if Iran did, it would be likely that they are working with China and Russia, both of which have demonstrated recently that they are finished with the US's imperialism. they shut us down on Syria! (Which I hold as a good think, if unfortunate)
 
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braindrain said:
The reason cops who kill people either kids or adults are given paid time off is for the most part due to the police unions that have made it close to impossible to fire dirty cops.
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It's not just police unions and cover-up "internal investigations," you also have to factor in the dirty judges, DAs, and juries.

Not really police state material there.
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Yes it is. Go check out the unconstitutional checkpoints in Tennessee. I can list numerous examples.

Tennessee to roll out "No Refusal" blood-draw DUI checkpoints for Labor Day | Police State USA

But don't get me wrong I do feel that this country is headed in that direction. You just need a better example than out of control unions.
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We're already there. Just because APCs aren't rolling around on every street in America (and certain towns already have these) doesn't discount the authoritative state we're living in.
 
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Montecresto said:
I heard that, literally!! See, and you also bring out the very good point "if it could get away with it" acting alone, Iran WILL NOT be doing that. And you can cash that check, it will clear. But if Iran did, it would be likely that they are working with China and Russia, both of which have demonstrated recently that they are finished with the US's imperialism. they shut us down on Syria! (Which I hold as a good think, if unfortunate)
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Given the backing of China and/or Russia, it is conceivable that Iran could launch an attack, at least a limited one on the US. What would follow would be a "peace talk", a "negotiation", a "settlement" followed by an attack by the warhawks in the US on whoever happened to be the CIC at the time, and, most likely, his loss in the next election. The next presidential candidate would have to promise to take a firm stand to protect us from "terrorism". After that, not much would change.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Examining the reasons why Iran would attack the US if it could get away with it involves taking a critical look at US foreign policy over the past few decades. No one is allowed to criticize US foreign policy without being labeled an America hating liberal.
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You no love 'Murica????
 
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US Conservative said:
Many lefties dont, some are honest enough to admit it, but it often takes some prodding.
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That is the most factually incorrect post you've ever sent. It's also a cheap shot and a losers default.
 
Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

US Conservative said:
Many lefties dont, some are honest enough to admit it, but it often takes some prodding.
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As witness their willingness to oppose American foreign policy.

The conservatives are the ones who oppose the domestic policy.
 
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