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Iran sending warships close to US borders[W:623]

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ChrisL said:
Is Rick Santorum running for office? :confused: Regardless if he was, that is why WE have a constitution and procedures that must be followed.

I don't see what that has to do with Iran sending warships though.
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Hahahahahahahahahaha a constitution and procedures that must be followed!! Your a hoot, funny too.
 
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ChrisL said:
No, you are ignoring the fact that we have a Constitution. This is why we cannot let any of our politicians ignore or "rewrite" the Constitution. This is just ONE reason why many of us take the Constitution (and the 2nd amendment in particular since it is ALWAYS under attack) very, very seriously.
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Yes, but you think politicians take the constitution very seriously, that's the funny part. To them, it's just a god damn piece of paper to get in the way. (With very few exceptions)
 
Montecresto said:
I see. Nobody should ever use the word never then. Don't let me catch you saying something will never happen down the road now!
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I really despise these types of posts that I take time to come look at, and then it says something like THIS. :roll:
 
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Montecresto said:
Hahahahahahahahahaha a constitution and procedures that must be followed!! Your a hoot, funny too.
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Do you have anything at all to add to the discussion. I mean . . . something intelligent? If not, I am asking you kindly not to quote me anymore.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I confess that I have not read this thread and have no clue what anybody else has said.

But my first instinct is that would it be a really bad thing if Iran actually fired a shell or something--poorly aimed of course--onto U.S. soil. That would give us full right, righteous justification, and reason to:

1. Destroy or confiscate the ship.
2. Take out Iran's nuclear capability.

But does anybody really think Iran is dumb enough to do that?
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Greetings, AlbuOwl. :2wave:

No, but there are those who might like us to believe they are! Iran is no match for us in military might, and they know it! I understand that we have subs patrolling the international waters near Iran, and if there are Iranian subs patrolling in international waters near the US, what's the difference? We are both sovereign countries! In addition, Iran has Russia's backing...is someone trying to provoke international war for some reason, assuming that any of this is true? Very suspicious....
 
polgara said:
Greetings, AlbuOwl. :2wave:

No, but there are those who might like us to believe they are! Iran is no match for us in military might, and they know it! I understand that we have subs patrolling the international waters near Iran, and if there are Iranian subs patrolling in international waters near the US, what's the difference? We are both sovereign countries! In addition, Iran has Russia's backing...is someone trying to provoke international war for some reason, assuming that any of this is true? Very suspicious....
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I don't think anybody is trying to provoke a shooting war. But I do perceive that the world leaders rightly perceive us as a weakened nation and some will do whatever they think is effective to further undermine our image and/or credibility for whatever reasons they might have to do that. And certainly trying to provoke us into doing some dumb re an Iranian warship hovering in international waters just off our coast might be intentional. Or it might be propaganda to shore up their image with their own people. Who knows?
 
AlbqOwl said:
I don't think anybody is trying to provoke a shooting war. But I do perceive that the world leaders rightly perceive us as a weakened nation and some will do whatever they think is effective to further undermine our image and/or credibility for whatever reasons they might have to do that. And certainly trying to provoke us into doing some dumb re an Iranian warship hovering in international waters just off our coast might be intentional. Or it might be propaganda to shore up their image with their own people. Who knows?
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They have pointedly stated that it is in response to the US positioning ships in the Persian gulf in proximity to them. It really isn't a big story. Iran won't be using those ships to attack the US mainland, though the US using our ships near them is a far mor likely scenario. As to the US being weakened, I suppose you speak to the fact that we didn't attack Syria last summer? There was no shortage of might in Libya.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I don't think anybody is trying to provoke a shooting war. But I do perceive that the world leaders rightly perceive us as a weakened nation and some will do whatever they think is effective to further undermine our image and/or credibility for whatever reasons they might have to do that. And certainly trying to provoke us into doing some dumb re an Iranian warship hovering in international waters just off our coast might be intentional. Or it might be propaganda to shore up their image with their own people. Who knows?
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I don't think our ability to show restraint is a sign of weakness.
 
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Montecresto said:
Yes, but you think politicians take the constitution very seriously, that's the funny part. To them, it's just a god damn piece of paper to get in the way. (With very few exceptions)
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I did not say that. I said that is the reason that WE need to make sure that they do.
 
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ChrisL said:
I did not say that. I said that is the reason that WE need to make sure that they do.
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Well on that we would agree. Problem is that partisans won't hear of it!
 
I certainly don't think this is worth going to war over or anything like that. I really don't feel much "fear" because of this incident and it seems more like grandstanding.

I think we should use it as an opportunity to try to open lines of communication with the new president. It couldn't hurt right?
 
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Montecresto said:
It's hilarious that cons call me a leftist and leftists won't align with me either. I'm an equal opportunity critic of hypocritical US foreign policy, regardless of who's in the White House. Partisan and patronizing Americans seem to find everything in a left/right meme. Stupid enough to ensure more of the same. Perfectly fine for you to quote Wiki when it serves your purpose, but they are suddenly leftist when you don't like what it has to say!!
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You do realize you can't criticize US foreign policy without being an America hating leftist, don't you?
 
ChrisL said:
I certainly don't think this is worth going to war over or anything like that. I really don't feel much "fear" because of this incident and it seems more like grandstanding.

I think we should use it as an opportunity to try to open lines of communication with the new president. It couldn't hurt right?
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Talking is always superior to fighting. It's getting everybody to understand that!
 
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Dittohead not! said:
You do realize you can't criticize US foreign policy without being an America hating leftist, don't you?
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Oh dear lord, you too Ditto?! :)
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
I don't think our ability to show restraint is a sign of weakness.
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It isn't a matter of showing restraint or not attacking Syria or anything like that. It is a President who is perceived as pretty ineffective as a national or world leader, a sluggish, even receding economy, an inability to make any inroads in our so-called war on terrorism, and a whole lot of pomp, ceremony, and sound and fury from the bully pulpit with basically no follow through. The longer this goes on, the more confident the more troublesome and potentially aggressive nations become.
 
AlbqOwl said:
It isn't a matter of showing restraint or not attacking Syria or anything like that. It is a President who is perceived as pretty ineffective as a national or world leader, a sluggish, even receding economy, an inability to make any inroads in our so-called war on terrorism, and a whole lot of pomp, ceremony, and sound and fury from the bully pulpit with basically no follow through. The longer this goes on, the more confident the more troublesome and potentially aggressive nations become.
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Exactly, if the left put as much effort into actually improving things, instead of defending every failed policy of Obama, we would be better off.
 
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Montecresto said:
I don't have a lean, that's why none is posted. Stop with your patronizing. The US is presently supporting terrorists in the ME. the US has used elements of terrorism for a very long time to overthrow governments. And party hasn't mattered. Democrats and republicans alike have been to blame. Had the US not won WW2, instead of Nuremberg trials, there would have been Philadelphia trials. At least one US general has admitted he'd have been on trial for war crimes. But you go on to play that rah rah America is the best crap if it makes you feel superior.
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Obama continues to support terrorists in Syria, the same ones he's against in the next country over (Iraq, where its literally the same group).
 
AlbqOwl said:
It isn't a matter of showing restraint or not attacking Syria or anything like that. It is a President who is perceived as pretty ineffective as a national or world leader, a sluggish, even receding economy, an inability to make any inroads in our so-called war on terrorism, and a whole lot of pomp, ceremony, and sound and fury from the bully pulpit with basically no follow through. The longer this goes on, the more confident the more troublesome and potentially aggressive nations become.
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What are you afraid of?
 
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US Conservative said:
Obama continues to support terrorists in Syria, the same ones he's against in the next country over (Iraq, where its literally the same group).
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Yes I know and said as much in the post you quoted.
 
US Conservative said:
Exactly, if the left put as much effort into actually improving things, instead of defending every failed policy of Obama, we would be better off.
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Personally, I defend very little Obama policy as he's been quite the disappointment.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Beats me. I didn't mention being afraid of anything. So why do you ask?
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They dont understand. They assume ANY line of thought outside the lefty dogma must be irrational-so based in fear, or sexism, racism etc.

No desire to understand the other side. No insight into the issue. Just lefty dogma.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Beats me. I didn't mention being afraid of anything. So why do you ask?
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The last line in your post I quoted looks like handwringing to me.
 
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