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Iran sending warships close to US borders[W:623]

Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

ChrisL said:
Are you seriously sticking up for Iran? Do you know what kind of things they do over there to their OWN citizens? Yet, you think that "we" are the bad guys? Good Lord! What's wrong with you? Our young people defending a regime like Iran is quite disturbing.
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With our emerging police state and political warmongers in public office, US and Iran are one in the same. And that's just presuming you're not getting your "facts" from Faux Newbs or something.
 
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ChrisL said:
I don't know about anyone else, but I tire of Iran's threats.
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So take a nap.

Seriously, what are you proposing we do about empty threats?
 
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WillyPete said:
So take a nap.

Seriously, what are you proposing we do about empty threats?
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Get up and get introspective about it.
 
Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

WillyPete said:
So take a nap.

Seriously, what are you proposing we do about empty threats?
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I don't know, try to solve some problems. From where I stand, I see the main problem as being Israel. I do support Israel because they are in a strategic location, they are expert intelligence gatherers (which I'm sure benefits the US), and if SHTF, they would back us up. Israel is a powerful ally, no doubt about it.

However, I can see that pretty much the entire ME is still carrying a grudge against Israel claiming ownership of land in the ME (except it was mostly the French and British who were responsible for "partitioning" the land and calling it Israel. Israel feels as if they have a right to the land because they were ousted from it thousands of years ago, which I will admit, is a bit ridiculous. However, what's done is done, and Israel is NOT going anywhere. They are a well-established country now, and I think it's about time that the countries around them grow up and accept that and try to work with Israel instead of against them.

I can understand how the Palestinians feel upset about "state of Israel" as they lay claim to the land as well. However, the palestinians never really had a home land. They were kind of ousted by all of the other countries in the ME and not very liked either. They were more like "nomad" types. When Israelites took over the land, they made it what it is today. Before that, it was nothing but a barren wasteland with nomads wandering around.

I will admit though that Israel is pushing the buttons of the Palestinians with the encroachment on the land that is now Palestine. The whole situation over there is just so mucked up, and there is so much hatred, that there is NEVER going to be an easy solution.

The bottom line is main reason for their hatred of us is our support of Israel. So I guess we could just abandon the country of Israel and leave them to the wolves, by they ARE a valuable ally and PEOPLE live there.
 
Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

Michael Johnson said:
With our emerging police state and political warmongers in public office, US and Iran are one in the same. And that's just presuming you're not getting your "facts" from Faux Newbs or something.
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That is an extremely extremist position. Not many people would agree with you, including myself.
 
Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

WillyPete said:
So take a nap.

Seriously, what are you proposing we do about empty threats?
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Maybe we could humor them, and make this into an opportunity to try to get somewhere with them.
 
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Don't you think that "ignoring" them, is going to make them even more agitated. I think we should treat them like children and say, "now, now little Iran, I know something is bothering you, let's talk about it." :2razz:
 
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ChrisL said:
Maybe we could humor them, and make this into an opportunity to try to get somewhere with them.
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Wow, it appears your thinking has evolved past calling them evil. Kudos.

I'd say it beats running around like the sky is falling. It's the publicity that these moves generate amongst the timid that fuels them.

Today's USA Today story appeals to the worse sort of outdated foolishness. John Bolton, last of the Cold Warriors, has some fear-mongering for us. <Link>

Iran could "someday" have ship-launched ICBMs, making these boats super dangerous.

I predict our unicorn air force will be more than a match for that, when the time comes.
 
Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

Michael Johnson said:
With our emerging police state and political warmongers in public office, US and Iran are one in the same. And that's just presuming you're not getting your "facts" from Faux Newbs or something.
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I think it is safe to say that most if not all people in here gather their news from multiple sourcing...As for our 'emerging police state', and 'political warmongers', can you give examples of how the US, and Iran are "one in the same" with examples, and not just political talking point pap from the isolationist wing...?
 
Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

Michael Johnson said:
Redundant.



It doesn't matter who agrees or disagrees with me.
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You can make as many outrageous statements as you want, that doesn't make them reality.
 
Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

WillyPete said:
Wow, it appears your thinking has evolved past calling them evil. Kudos.

I'd say it beats running around like the sky is falling. It's the publicity that these moves generate amongst the timid that fuels them.

Today's USA Today story appeals to the worse sort of outdated foolishness. John Bolton, last of the Cold Warriors, has some fear-mongering for us. <Link>

Iran could "someday" have ship-launched ICBMs, making these boats super dangerous.

I predict our unicorn air force will be more than a match for that, when the time comes.
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I don't really see anything in that link that is SO outrageous. I think everything in the article is pretty much accurate. What points are you disputing?
 
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j-mac said:
I think it is safe to say that most if not all people in here gather their news from multiple sourcing...
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Really? Provide examples.

As for our 'emerging police state', and 'political warmongers', can you give examples of how the US, and Iran are "one in the same" with examples, and not just political talking point pap from the isolationist wing...?
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Give examples on why "Murica!" should bomb Iran to pieces. Give justifications and statistics as to why our state sanctioned killers should remain in the Middle East. Please explain why "law enforcement" officers here in the U.S. are allowed paid time off after murdering children.

Don't preach to me about political talking pap.
 
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Michael Johnson said:
What did I say that was outrageous? Your reality doesn't align with facts.
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Uh, this. This does not align with any facts, and you have yet to provide ANY either. Reputable links please.

Michael Johnson said:
With our emerging police state and political warmongers in public office, US and Iran are one in the same. And that's just presuming you're not getting your "facts" from Faux Newbs or something.
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Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

Michael Johnson said:
Really? Provide examples.



Give examples on why "Murica!" should bomb Iran to pieces. Give justifications and statistics as to why our state sanctioned killers should remain in the Middle East. Please explain why "law enforcement" officers here in the U.S. are allowed paid time off after murdering children.

Don't preach to me about political talking pap.
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Holy smokes, this is like unabomber talk. :screwy
 
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ChrisL said:
Uh, this. This does not align with any facts, and you have yet to provide ANY either. Reputable links please.
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The burden of proof doesn't fall on me simply because you refuse to craft a logical response.
 
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Michael Johnson said:
The burden of proof doesn't fall on me simply because you refuse to craft a logical response.
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If you are accusing the United States as being the equivalent of Iran, then you need to provide links. Anyone can make stupid accusations, and I am not the one making these accusations, YOU are.
 
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ChrisL said:
If you are accusing the United States as being the equivalent of Iran, then you need to provide links.
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lol If you are accusing Iran of terrorist acts, then you need to provide links. If you suggest Iranian watercraft need bombing, then provide reasoning.

Anyone can make stupid accusations, and I am not the one making these accusations, YOU are.
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Like you were earlier in this thread?
 
Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

Michael Johnson said:
lol If you are accusing Iran of terrorist acts, then you need to provide links. If you suggest Iranian watercraft need bombing, then provide reasoning.
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Interesting accusation and just shows your paranoia. Please show a post of mine where I suggested bombing anything at all. I'll be waiting.

Like you were earlier in this thread?
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And what accusations where those? The ones I provided links to, about human rights violations? Well, sorry, but I provided REPUTABLE links to back up those allegations, unlike yourself.
 
Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

Michael Johnson said:
That's the problem. You're being left to your own thoughts and vices for too long.
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Again, no substance, no links, no evidence. I don't think you know how to debate. Your paranoid rantings do make for debate. Like I said, any crazy can come here and make dumb statements. I'm certainly not taking your accusations against the US seriously. This is just loony.
 
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