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Iran sending warships close to US borders[W:623]

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That certainly does not make THEM the good guys, and I hate to tell you but YES, compared to them we are good guys. Maybe you should try living over there too. Lol!

Do you think they are better or worse off than they would have been if we hadn't overthrown their government in the '50s and played both sides of their war in the 1980s?

And what were our "good guy" reasons to do those things?
 
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Do you think they are better or worse off than they would have been if we hadn't overthrown their government in the '50s and played both sides of their war in the 1980s?

And what were our "good guy" reasons to do those things?

Who knows? That was before I was born, and what's done is done. Do you think the US takes actions just to mess with other countries and annoy them, or do you think there might be legitimate reasons sometimes? Are you privy to all of the intelligence surrounding such issues?

You can't go back into the past and change events, so we concentrate on CURRENT issues, and the fact is that Iran tortures and kills it's own citizens without a fair trial on a fairly regular basis, so if you want to be on the side of fairy tales in trying to make the Iranians seem "good" then that's on your conscience, but any one with brain cells knows that is NOT the case. To call them "rational" is an outright lie.
 
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Who knows? That was before I was born, and what's done is done. Do you think the US takes actions just to mess with other countries and annoy them, or do you think there might be legitimate reasons sometimes? Are you privy to all of the intelligence surrounding such issues?

You can't go back into the past and change events, so we concentrate on CURRENT issues, and the fact is that Iran tortures and kills it's own citizens without a fair trial on a fairly regular basis, so if you want to be on the side of fairy tales in trying to make the Iranians seem "good" then that's on your conscience, but any one with brain cells knows that is NOT the case. To call them "rational" is an outright lie.

Ok, so it doesn't matter how we've treated them until today. Their jerks for not trusting us.

Short and easy to remember, anyhow.

So help me out. What have they done recently that's irrational?
 
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Ok, so it doesn't matter how we've treated them until today. Their jerks for not trusting us.

Short and easy to remember, anyhow.

So help me out. What have they done recently that's irrational?

That is not the point at all. The point is that they are not rational and they are a country run by religious extremists.

Uhh, don't you consider the things that were posted in the links as irrational? :doh
 
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That is not the point at all. The point is that they are not rational and they are a country run by religious extremists.

Uhh, don't you consider the things that were posted in the links as irrational? :doh

What, harsh prisons and an absence of political freedom? We've had the same in the U.S., and no one spent decades screwing with us over it.

It sucks, but irrational? More like the status quo for many, many nations. Should we be threatening them all?
 
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What, harsh prisons and an absence of political freedom? We've had the same in the U.S., and no one spent decades screwing with us over it.

It sucks, but irrational? More like the status quo for many, many nations. Should we be threatening them all?

Please, they play games and they are certainly NOT innocent victims. They are pretty much a thorn in the side of everyone, even China and Russia tire of the paranoia and persecution complex. They are a hateful country, and not only towards the United States.

And let's NOT forget the roles that the French and the British played in the ME either.
 
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Oh, and as far as I'm aware, the US hasn't even had an embassy there since 1979.
 
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Please, they play games and they are certainly NOT innocent victims. They are pretty much a thorn in the side of everyone, even China and Russia tire of the paranoia and persecution complex. They are a hateful country, and not only towards the United States.

And let's NOT forget the roles that the French and the British played in the ME either.

So Iran is the the victim of those nations, but the U.S. is righteous?

Russian and China supplied then with weapons, but then so did the U.S., once upon a time. The excuse when we shot down that civilian craft (killing 290 aboard) was that we thought it was an F-14 we had sold them.

How are their (international) acts hateful? I get that you don't like how they run themselves, but does that justify screwing with them for decades?


Oh, and as far as I'm aware, the US hasn't even had an embassy there since 1979.

Well, we already know what you think of the ancient days of 30 years ago. Are you saying that's a problem we can't fix today?
 
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So Iran is the the victim of those nations, but the U.S. is righteous?

Russian and China supplied then with weapons, but then so did the U.S., once upon a time. The excuse when we shot down that civilian craft (killing 290 aboard) was that we thought it was an F-14 we had sold them.

How are their (international) acts hateful? I get that you don't like how they run themselves, but does that justify screwing with them for decades?

This is not a one-way street. You talk as if they are not a thorn in the side of the international community. They do this intentionally.

Yes, you can whine about past events, but why don't you name ONE country that has not been involved in some "shady" business. Sorry, but it is a dog-eat-dog world out there, and of course the US has to sometimes take action to protect our own interests in the world. Since you nor I are privy to any top secret intelligence data, I don't think you can speak to what the actual level of threat in the past has been. So to you what looks like "screwing with them" could actually have a legitimate purpose.




Well, we already know what you think of the ancient days of 30 years ago. Are you saying that's a problem we can't fix today?

Lol, we haven't had an embassy there since 1979. Didn't Obama "extend his hand in peace" anyway? How'd THAT work out? You cannot deal in a rational manner with a country that is run by irrational religious extremists.
 
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Please, they play games and they are certainly NOT innocent victims. They are pretty much a thorn in the side of everyone, even China and Russia tire of the paranoia and persecution complex. They are a hateful country, and not only towards the United States.

And let's NOT forget the roles that the French and the British played in the ME either.

The Iranian government is hateful toward the US and its allies, no question. The Iranian people, at least the ones I've been able to hear, don't hate the US despite their government lining up school children to chant "death to the USA" and other delightful slogans.

There are valid historical reasons why the government hates the US, or more specifically, our government. We could ignore history and just scratch our heads wondering why the Ayatollas that are the real power in that unfortunate country hate us so much, but our understanding of the enemy would be much better if we did take an objective look at history. Moreover, were we to do that, we'd be less likely to repeat that history.

Meanwhile, the Iranian people are subjected to an authoritarian and despotic theocracy, and there really isn't much we can do about it.
 
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The Iranian government is hateful toward the US and its allies, no question. The Iranian people, at least the ones I've been able to hear, don't hate the US despite their government lining up school children to chant "death to the USA" and other delightful slogans.

There are valid historical reasons why the government hates the US, or more specifically, our government. We could ignore history and just scratch our heads wondering why the Ayatollas that are the real power in that unfortunate country hate us so much, but our understanding of the enemy would be much better if we did take an objective look at history. Moreover, were we to do that, we'd be less likely to repeat that history.

Meanwhile, the Iranian people are subjected to an authoritarian and despotic theocracy, and there really isn't much we can do about it.

True, but more diplomatic approaches have been tried and have failed. They are like incorrigible little children who don't respond to anything but a spanking. :mrgreen:
 
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This is not a one-way street. You talk as if they are not a thorn in the side of the international community. They do this intentionally.

"They do this" what? Try to say something specific. What has Iran done that justifies the way we've treated them? There are absolutely nations that treat their people worse that we support, so that doesn't fly on it's own.


Lol, we haven't had an embassy there since 1979. Didn't Obama "extend his hand in peace" anyway? How'd THAT work out? You cannot deal in a rational manner with a country that is run by irrational religious extremists.

You repeat irrational like a mantra, but I haven't seen worthwhile examples. All religion is irrational. What irrational act has Iran performed?
 
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"They do this" what? Try to say something specific. What has Iran done that justifies the way we've treated them? There are absolutely nations that treat their people worse that we support, so that doesn't fly on it's own.




You repeat irrational like a mantra, but I haven't seen worthwhile examples. All religion is irrational. What irrational act has Iran performed?

You don't know? They threaten to close down the canal (Strait of whatever it's called). THAT is a legitimate threat to not only our interests but a large portion of the world. They are constantly making threats to do this or that. They have a nuclear program, and they limit UN inspectors access to large portions. They refuse to recognize Israel. Israel is a country full of people too you know! These are just some things.
 
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Rusty or not, they are mobile platforms for some pretty dangerous weapons. We have better-but thats not point.

This is dangerous? It might sink itself if one of those antiquated weapons fired. One Apache gunship, with it's 30mm M230 chain gun could mow this relic down.

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I like it. We could put Israeli markings on the planes before they are dropped to really screw with them. :)

Better yet let the Israeli's carry out the mission.

Poor buggers. Send 'em some chocolate bars, brah. Cheer 'em up a bit. :lol:

Pull the old gag routine, where you offer them a chocolate bar in one hand and soon as they take it, slap them with the other hand. It's pretty much what the State Department has been doing to them all along.

I don't think Obama wants conflict with Iran and Iran would be stupid to start something. I not concerned exceot maybe the crew of the Iranian ships getting lost, running out of fuel and running out of food. It honestly would not surprise me if they did make it over to this part of the world, somebody would have to give them assistance, food supplies and help getting back to Iran.

They may end up on Gilligan's Island. :lol:

I'm sure the Cubans or Russian subs would gladly supply them.
 
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Additionally, Iran is not sending 'warships'.

They are ending one small frigate (not a destroyer) and one support ship that has space for a helicopter(s) to land on it.

The media almost never gets military reports right.
 
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You don't know? They threaten to close down the canal (Strait of whatever it's called). THAT is a legitimate threat to not only our interests but a large portion of the world. They are constantly making threats to do this or that. They have a nuclear program, and they limit UN inspectors access to large portions. They refuse to recognize Israel. Israel is a country full of people too you know! These are just some things.

How much access do UN inspectors have to our nuclear program?
 
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Look at that heap of ****. I could take it out myself, with my bare hands.

Pull the old gag routine, where you offer them a chocolate bar in one hand and soon as they take it, slap them with the other hand. It's pretty much what the State Department has been doing to them all along.
Truth.
 
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You're delusional. You always have been. You're a prime example of why this country needs to invest in better mental health care for it's elderly.

11B Infantry, 95B Military Police. Middle East three times, Africa once, Central America twice.

Try again.

Personal attacks aside, I have doubts that you were in the service. If you were, you were a REMF.
 
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Look at that heap of ****. I could take it out myself, with my bare hands.


Truth.

Seriously, some scuba gear, an electric can opener and a wad of C4, and it's an artificial reef.


Something strange is happening over there. Iran must be anticipating an air attack or have intelligence the American public hasn't been made aware.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/irania...l-aviv/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Iranian state TV on Friday ran a documentary featuring a computerized video of Iran’s drones and missiles bombing Tel Aviv, Haifa, Ben Gurion Airport and the Dimona nuclear reactor in a hypothetical retaliation for an Israeli or American strike on the Islamic Republic.

Iranian drones and missiles are also shown carrying out simulated strikes on the American aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln, downing American aircraft and striking American military targets in the Persian Gulf.

The clip was broadcast amid a clear escalation of anti-American rhetoric and even action by Iran: On Saturday, an Iranian admiral announced that Iran had despatched warships to the North Atlantic, while Iran’s spiritual leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei denounced the Americans as liars who, while professing to be friends of Iran, would bring down his regime if they could. He also said it was “amusing” that the US thought Iran would reduce its “defensive capabilities.”
 
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Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

Additionally, Iran is not sending 'warships'.

They are ending one small frigate (not a destroyer) and one support ship that has space for a helicopter(s) to land on it.

The media almost never gets military reports right.
The truth isn't interesting enough.
 
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Seriously, some scuba gear, an electric can opener and a wad of C4, and it's an artificial reef.
:lamo

No ****.
 
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You don't know? They threaten to close down the canal (Strait of whatever it's called). THAT is a legitimate threat to not only our interests but a large portion of the world. They are constantly making threats to do this or that. They have a nuclear program, and they limit UN inspectors access to large portions. They refuse to recognize Israel. Israel is a country full of people too you know! These are just some things.

I don't know which if those is so obviously irrational.

The threats are part of international diplomacy. That threat was to close the strait if we stopped them from selling oil, thereby crippling their economy. <Link>

They understand the consequences of attacking anyone with a nuclear weapon. Hysterical types like yourself are more likely to start a war than prevent one.

The Israel thing is a purely political. Everyone who matters has recognized Israel.
 
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Personal attacks aside, I have doubts that you were in the service. If you were, you were a REMF.

Why? Because I don't boast of my service like you do? Because I don't pretend that because I served in the military I obviously know more than anyone who disagrees with me like you do? Because I don't mindlessly endorse anything pro-military related just because it's pro-military related even when it doesn't make sense like you do? Some people served honorably and don't try to act like it makes them somehow more knowledgeable about military matters than others. Military service only qualifies you to speak on the exact job you did and your anecdotal experiences. Pretending you understand strategic and geopolitical issues simply because you were in Vietnam is extremely transparent. The information you post betrays your level of understanding of those issues.

I have a DD214 to prove my service. I have a complete copy of my 201 file. Did my basic and AIT at Ft. Benning GA., Sand Hill barracks. Did my MP training at Ft. Leonard Wood. You're online bravado and CIB avatar don't impress me. The posts you make give reasonable people concern over your state of mind. You may live under the illusion that you impress people with your military credentials but seriously, nobody can be sure about anybody else with regard to the truth on these forums. So far I am no more convinced you are a combat vet than any other poster. You seem to go too far in making sure people get the word you served. Maybe you think it serves as a qualifier for your irrational rants. Who knows?
 
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Iran's ****ed up but I don't view them as the 'bad guy'. At least not any more so than we are. To date, the US remains the only nation on earth who ever deployed nukes against anyone else. This controversy is always sickeningly hypocritical. We have nukes up the ass but anyone else who wants them is a 'threat' whereas we're the 'good guys'. Ya know, because our nukes explode with the scent of jasmine and shower the earth in love and peace. Same **** with North Korea. You can't militarily **** with a nuclear nation. That's the top and bottom of it. There's nothing else.

Power politics BS.
 
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