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Iran sending warships close to US borders[W:623]

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Unitedwestand13 said:
wait what? are you Saying iran was our enemy after 9/11? Iran offered us Aid after 9/11? Iran has no allegiance to al Qaeda , they hate al Qaeda as enemys.
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The links between Iran and Hezbollah is well documented so we know they at least work with internationally known terrorist organizations. Iran publicly denouncing al Qaeda and in the backroom working with them... is that a giant leap? Certainly you're right, it's not a fact with evidence to corroborate it but if al Qaeda can do something that Iran needs and can have deniability - why not? I use "al Qaeda" in the broadest sense - any and all affiliates not just the dozen people protecting al Zawahiri.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
why did you not advocate that while we were in afghanistan? ;)
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I called the White House to suggest that Iran be the next target, after AG and Iraq, but for some reason, they didn't return my calls.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
how does one win a war against Terror itself?
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The same way you win a war on Nazism. You kill all the terrorists.

One thing's for sure, your negative, defeatist attitude isn't going to win crap.
 
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apdst said:
Of course you're going to say that. It's been a Libbo talking point since 2001.
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I have Iraq, Afghanistan, and Vietnam to back up my opinion that decisive victory against enemies that practice guerrilla warfare to such extent is next to impossible. The Persian Gulf War is the kind I prefer, Short, Sweet, to the point, and we leave with the country intact enough to not descend into chaos. Just enough to keep them in check for some time, no need for total victory.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
wait what? are you Saying iran was our enemy after 9/11? Iran offered us Aid after 9/11? Iran has no allegiance to al Qaeda , they hate al Qaeda as enemys.
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Iran has been our enemy since 1979. Where you been? Hezbollah murdered 19 American servicemen in the Khobar Tower Bombing. You seem ready to condone that.
 
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Ockham said:
The links between Iran and Hezbollah is well documented so we know they at least work with internationally known terrorist organizations. Iran publicly denouncing al Qaeda and in the backroom working with them... is that a giant leap? Certainly you're right, it's not a fact with evidence to corroborate it but if al Qaeda can do something that Iran needs and can have deniability - why not? I use "al Qaeda" in the broadest sense - any and all affiliates not just the dozen people protecting al Zawahiri.
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the members of AL Qeada to my knowledge are practitioners of the sunni branch islam. Iran is largely represented by followers of the Shia branch of islam. the two branches don't get along and fanatics go out of their way to kill members of the rival branch.
 
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Democrat152 said:
I have Iraq, Afghanistan, and Vietnam to back up my opinion that decisive victory against enemies that practice guerrilla warfare to such extent is next to impossible. The Persian Gulf War is the kind I prefer, Short, Sweet, to the point, and we leave with the country intact enough to not descend into chaos. Just enough to keep them in check for some time, no need for total victory.
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We defeated the enemy, on the battlefield in every one of your examples. Want to try again?
 
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apdst said:
The same way you win a war on Nazism. You kill all the terrorists.

One thing's for sure, your negative, defeatist attitude isn't going to win crap.
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You cant solve a problem by killing everybody. We destroyed Nazi Germany as a country and political entity, but there are still people that are self- identified Nazis doing harm.
 
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apdst said:
The same way you win a war on Nazism. You kill all the terrorists.

One thing's for sure, your negative, defeatist attitude isn't going to win crap.
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I wasn't aware we killed all the Nazis.
 
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Democrat152 said:
They know that if they moved further on the nukes we would clamp down with sanctions even worse than before. Again, they aren't stupid. I really wish the right would stop saying baseless stuff about the left, and keep to the rational discussion. :cool:
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You are right, they aren't stupid, they know how to pimp the west like N. Korea did while it developed its nukes.

There are plenty of lefties here who will, after defending Iran, come around to admitting they could care less (why shouldnt they if we do, they say).
 
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apdst said:
Iran has been our enemy since 1979. Where you been? Hezbollah murdered 19 American servicemen in the Khobar Tower Bombing. You seem ready to condone that.
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have we declared war against iran? if not then i cannot bring myself to use language that implies we are in a war with Iran.

Hezbollah on the other hand is a terrorist organization and i will not condone any act of murder committed by a criminal organization.
 
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apdst said:
We defeated the enemy, on the battlefield in every one of your examples. Want to try again?
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In none of my examples did we win total and decisive victory, Vietnam is communist, Iraq is falling apart, and Afghanistan is showing signs of doing the same. We can defeat them on every battlefield they feel like showing up on, but that still does not win the war.
 
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apdst said:
We defeated the enemy, on the battlefield in every one of your examples. Want to try again?
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actually they did not win the battle of wining the hearts and minds of the people.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
the members of AL Qeada to my knowledge are practitioners of the sunni branch islam. Iran is largely represented by followers of the Shia branch of islam. the two branches don't get along and fanatics go out of their way to kill members of the rival branch.
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Not all of Iran is shia, and strange bedfellows do not equate zero possibility. If Iran sees a benefit to themselves especially where it can hurt their enemies... be that propaganda, an assasination, etc., I still say it's not a big leap. Denouncing publicly and cutting deals in an alley is as old of a trick as there is.
 
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apdst said:
The same way you win a war on Nazism. You kill all the terrorists.

One thing's for sure, your negative, defeatist attitude isn't going to win crap.
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the nazi party and nazi government had physical representations, and we Defeated those in world war 2 when berlin fell to the allied armies and Hitler ended his evil reign with a bullet to his temple.

Terrorism is a broad thing and takes many forms. Timothy mcveigh was a terrorist, the Unabomber was a terrorist, the Ku Klux klan was a terrorist organization. Al qeada is a terrorist organization.

terrorism is just the practice of inflicting terror to accomplish a goal.
 
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apdst said:
The same way you win a war on Nazism. You kill all the terrorists.

One thing's for sure, your negative, defeatist attitude isn't going to win crap.
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Wait, Nazis were terrorists? :shock:
 
Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

apdst said:
I doubt anyone in the region would shed a tear if someone took out The Islamic Republic.
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To begin with, the Shi'a populations in all of the countries in the Middle East, which comes with a lot of transnational political muscle. With tribal rivalries so fierce, regional politics is affected by how countries dominated by a majority treat minority populations that have connections outside their home country. Putting Iran in a tough spot lessens the influence of Shi'a Muslims elsewhere, meaning either they would have to lash out to protect their power or someone else would force them to by encroaching on their gains.

To a large extent, Middle Eastern countries are so confederate in character that some of them barely pass as nations. Problem is, we like to deal with them as if they were nations.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
if we use your logic then why did we not invade pakistan, who has been one of the biggest supporters of the Taliban and Al Qaeda in afghanistan.
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Pakistans current stockpile of nuclear weapons and related facilities has to be considered at risk given the presence of Al Qaeda operatives in Pakistan and the country’s problematic security system. Added to that you have internal instability and differing political views.

Recipe for disaster.

Still, even taking all of that into consideration, it's obvious from past and present discussions that Iran is still seen as much more of a threat by many posters here.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Speak for yourself. I have all the respect in the world for President Bush and I believe history will prove me right.
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LOL....the man who drove this country to the brink of economic and moral bankruptcy? Too funny NP. His legacy is already written. GWB will be known as the Herbert Hoover of the 21st Century and a man who lied us into war. The man was a puppet to Rumsfield and Cheney....you just cannot see it.
 
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apdst said:
Murdering American servicemen isnt an act of war?
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Arming a third party isn't an act of war.
 
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grip said:
News from The Associated Press



Does anyone else think this is not a great idea? Sort of like waving red meat in front of a pit-bull.
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lulz

The US trembles, I'm sure.

I'd send the poor bastards some hot tea and warm blankets. It must be perishing out there on their cute little rustbuckets.
 
Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

apdst said:
Only a Libbo would call it murder.
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Only an irrational arm chair warrior would call for others to go out and kill innocent service personnel from another nation, who by the way pose absolutely no threat to anyone.

Seriously. There is something wrong with you.
 
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Lerxst said:
Only an irrational arm chair warrior would call for others to go out and kill innocent service personnel from another nation, who by the way pose absolutely no threat to anyone.

Seriously. There is something wrong with you.
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They aren't floating on a raft, "slightly liberal". :roll:
 
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