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Iran sending warships close to US borders[W:623]

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You're never going to sell democracy over there, they don't want it. Some form of global capitalism would've been possible at one time, but now they associate it with western influence and corruption. They don't want us forcing our culture and customs on them, watering down their own heritage.
 
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You're never going to sell democracy over there, they don't want it. Some form of global capitalism would've been possible at one time, but now they associate it with western influence and corruption. They don't want us forcing our culture and customs on them, watering down their own heritage.

They had a democracy before we screwed it up for them, and the Iranian Green Movement wanted to return to that democracy.
 
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They had a democracy before we screwed it up for them, and the Iranian Green Movement wanted to return to that democracy.

Yeah, they had a form of governance they were comfortable with back in the 40's. No country can isolate themselves indefinitely from global influence if they want any other resources, Russia proved that one. Especially if they have valuable commodities, like oil. By hook or crook we were going to get involved with that area.
 
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Yeah, they had a form of governance they were comfortable with back in the 40's. No country can isolate themselves indefinitely from global influence if they want any other resources, Russia proved that one. Especially if they have valuable commodities, like oil. By hook or crook we were going to get involved with that area.

All I'm saying is that your position on what won't "sell" in Iran is contradicted by Iran's history.
 
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All I'm saying is that your position on what won't "sell" in Iran is contradicted by Iran's history.

Their history for the past 60 years has been us screwing with their leadership and supplies.
 
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I think the Sea Shepard could do more damage than the Iranian "navy". Although I doubt that this administration would do anything to punish the Iranians; even if they sailed their cute little boats into Chesapeake Bay. Wouldn't want to do anything to upset the "peace process".
 
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I think the Sea Shepard could do more damage than the Iranian "navy". Although I doubt that this administration would do anything to punish the Iranians; even if they sailed their cute little boats into Chesapeake Bay. Wouldn't want to do anything to upset the "peace process".

I believe Obama would go from one extreme to the other, either too trusting or obliterate them. Kind of like teasing the school fool, till he pops his cork.
 
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The Canadian Navy is taking the Iranian ships seriously. They have put their fleet on alert.

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We could try to prevent their refueling/replenishment at sea or in ports. That would show the Iranians that we mean business without getting hostile.
 
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Heya AC :2wave: .....while that may be true. None has ever seen a US or Americans fight without any moral constraint. Or decide to get rid of a problem permanently where it can never create any other chaos ever again. Nor just take their countries land like taking candy from a baby, where there is not much they can do about it.....except snivel whine and cry or become part of the annuals of history.

The last things these guys will see is the US in total war.
 
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We could try to prevent their refueling/replenishment at sea or in ports. That would show the Iranians that we mean business without getting hostile.

How do you prove we mean business without getting hostile? Bottom line is that preventing refueling on the high seas would be in itself an act of war.

No, let them come close and as soon as they cross the line or move near one of our ships---- we sink them. But again, this administration WILL DO NOTHING. This administration would not even admit that the attacks in Benghazi were terrorists attacks.
 
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Yeah, on the surface I would hope the mullahs are smart enough not to get into an international pissing contest. I wish we had backed the Iranian protesters when we had the chance, I've known people who immigrated from there and the leadership is not popular, but they do have the benefit of force monopoly right now and with a bit of help they could have been deposed. With them at the helm it's a guessing game right now.

We had our chump in chief sit by while they were put under (how many of them are still alive, I wonder?)

I cant seem to find the footage now, but theres a video of an Iranian pro-democracy protester begging and screaming at a US newscaster about needing assistance and begging for help from the USA.

And it was crickets from the chump in chief.
 
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I think the biggest mistake in foreign diplomacy has been the U.S. installing "friendlies" to our own interests, it backfires when it goes against the people of a country. If anything we should be backing popular revolts if they have been vetted, no backing Al Quaida movements, a Taliban, Shah, etc. but actually finding out if the move has long term gains as far as regional stability.

Every nation looks out for its own best interests. There are no angels over there.
 
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How do you prove we mean business without getting hostile? Bottom line is that preventing refueling on the high seas would be in itself an act of war.

No, let them come close and as soon as they cross the line or move near one of our ships---- we sink them. But again, this administration WILL DO NOTHING. This administration would not even admit that the attacks in Benghazi were terrorists attacks.

That's a bit extreme. You work with allies and leverage partners to not allow access to ports diplomatically. Iran doesn't have the naval infrastructure to be at sea without replenishment for an extended period of time. Cut off their supplies in a non-violent way, and they will quickly realize, as I'm sure they already do, that they are fish out of water. It's not an act of war to deny ships to pull into your port, supply or war oriented, unless they are in extreme danger.
 
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I completely agree that by befriending the right people, especially the upcoming leadership, we ingratiate ourselves properly. Instead we use the CIA to create wars between Iraq and Iran, to keep them neutralized. Certain groups start brainwashing their kids at early ages with their sectarian nonsense. And our soldiers over there calling them Hajji's doesn't help.

They dont need the US to hate each other over there. Even within Islamist groups theres more than enough hate, violence, and fear to go around, in fact it makes the hate for the west almost seem quaint.
 
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We had our chump in chief sit by while they were put under (how many of them are still alive, I wonder?)

I cant seem to find the footage now, but theres a video of an Iranian pro-democracy protester begging and screaming at a US newscaster about needing assistance and begging for help from the USA.

And it was crickets from the chump in chief.
Yeah, and it was sickening to watch. So much could have been solved by just giving them the push needed to depose those sick bastards in charge.
 
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They dont need the US to hate each other over there. Even within Islamist groups theres more than enough hate, violence, and fear to go around, in fact it makes the hate for the west almost seem quaint.

True enough but that doesn't stop the intelligence agencies and military from playing geopolitical games. All countries are going to do what they believe is in their best interests, in the global chess game.
 
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Every nation looks out for its own best interests. There are no angels over there.
Absolutely, but I would rather have a somewhat sane leadership in a country that size.
 
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That's a bit extreme. You work with allies and leverage partners to not allow access to ports diplomatically. Iran doesn't have the naval infrastructure to be at sea without replenishment for an extended period of time. Cut off their supplies in a non-violent way, and they will quickly realize, as I'm sure they already do, that they are fish out of water. It's not an act of war to deny ships to pull into your port, supply or war oriented, unless they are in extreme danger.

Well, I'm sure even the Iranians are intelligent enough to have arranged for refueling and support without needing to rely on shopping for "gas stations" at just any old port along the way. That is not how a naval operation works. Even a navy as rudimentary as Iran's could be refueled and resupplied by any number of the hundreds of ocean going merchant vessels that sail under the Iranian flag.

But as to working with our allies; it's some of those allies who are the ones chomping at the bit to normalize economic relations with Iran. The Obama administration has not pushed hard enough to prevent that in my opinion.
 
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Well, I'm sure even the Iranians are intelligent enough to have arranged for refueling and support without needing to rely on shopping for "gas stations" at just any old port along the way. That is not how a naval operation works. Even a navy as rudimentary as Iran's could be refueled and resupplied by any number of the hundreds of ocean going merchant vessels that sail under the Iranian flag.

But as to working with our allies; it's some of those allies who are the ones chomping at the bit to normalize economic relations with Iran. The Obama administration has not pushed hard enough to prevent that in my opinion.

I would agree with your second point. As for the first, it's not quite as easy as you suggest.
 
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True enough but that doesn't stop the intelligence agencies and military from playing geopolitical games. All countries are going to do what they believe is in their best interests, in the global chess game.

Thats my point-EVERY nation plays these geopolitical games.
 
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Yeah, and it was sickening to watch. So much could have been solved by just giving them the push needed to depose those sick bastards in charge.

Or at least speaking out as the supposed leader of the free world-that this type of behavior was unacceptable.

Its amazing to hear the excuses (even in this thread) made for Obama. And lets not forget his actions in Libya, Egypt, and Syria either.
 
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Yes because they did so well afterwords. :roll:

Must be you skipped right over my elaboration. Here it is:

Both of the recognized leaders of the Iranian Green Movement were leaders of the Office for Strengthening Unity (as was Ahmadinejad), which played a central role in the takeover of our embassy in Tehran. As such, the opposition was pro-democracy but was most definitely not pro-west, so there really was no good option -- sit back and hope for the best, involve ourselves and get caught, involve ourselves and make a change that can't be publicly acknowledged and doesn't result in a substantial change in Iran's foreign policy.

How do you figure, exactly, that the opposition leadership was the least bit interested in our assistance? Even if they were, it would've destroyed their credibility.
 
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