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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Nonsense. The US has a responsibility to the world, or at least so we are told whenever the world gets itself into trouble....You opine that the US is a bully because we try and keep the world from annihilating itself in skirmishes over trivialities that bring centuries long wars, cold, or hot, to modern catastrophes.

    We are damned if we do, and damned if we don't....We have tried both....But when the chips are down the overwhelming cry of the world is "where is the US?" So spare me the self loathing, or self guilt over being born in the greatest country on the face of the earth, with the strongest military ever seen since the Roman empire, that is not used for conquest.

    Get with the program here, because the voices that are tearing down, or eroding the authority of America to remain as the preeminent force for peace, and good in the world, are the same voices that turn a blind eye as Assad kills hundreds of thousands, the same that refuses to lift a finger as millions die in Rwanda by the machetes blade, and the same voice that choose the naive path of considering every despot in the world as equal in moral authority, when that despot would kill you first, after your defense of them achieved their dominance.

    Neville Chamberlain was not wrong in the 30s because he wanted peace in our time, he was wrong because in his aspiration of that peace he refused to see his adversary for who they were. And that type of miscalculation of others lives on in today's liberal.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    If a country "attacks" us, I don't think the reason WHY is at the top of my list of things to worry about. I'd be more concerned with defending ourselves and having the means to do so.

    Do I think this latest dumb threat means anything? Of course not, it's just more posturing and nothing more. What are they going to do with their old outdated couple of ships against our state-of-the-art fleets?
    I thought the same, until I read this...

    “Iran has purchased Russia's Club-K missile system. The Club-K is a complete missile launch system, disguised to look like a shipping container, that could convert any freighter into a missile launch platform. The Club-K, if armed with a nuclear warhead, could be used to execute an EMP attack.”

    Remember, 9/11 was just a bunch of people armed with box cutters and plane hijackings. Recently, a few armed snipers shooting at transformers in Southern CA, almost took down their power grid.

    It doesn't take massive power to cripple a giant, just strategic blows at weaknesses.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I thought the same, until I read this...

    “Iran has purchased Russia's Club-K missile system. The Club-K is a complete missile launch system, disguised to look like a shipping container, that could convert any freighter into a missile launch platform. The Club-K, if armed with a nuclear warhead, could be used to execute an EMP attack.”

    Remember, 9/11 was just a bunch of people armed with box cutters and plane hijackings. Recently, a few armed snipers shooting at transformers in Southern CA, almost took down their power grid.

    It doesn't take massive power to cripple a giant, just strategic blows at weaknesses.
    Interesting. There is just another reason why we should never take threats lying down. Why anyone would suggest such a thing, I don't know.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Nonsense. The US has a responsibility to the world, or at least so we are told whenever the world gets itself into trouble....You opine that the US is a bully because we try and keep the world from annihilating itself in skirmishes over trivialities that bring centuries long wars, cold, or hot, to modern catastrophes.

    We are damned if we do, and damned if we don't....We have tried both....But when the chips are down the overwhelming cry of the world is "where is the US?" So spare me the self loathing, or self guilt over being born in the greatest country on the face of the earth, with the strongest military ever seen since the Roman empire, that is not used for conquest.

    Get with the program here, because the voices that are tearing down, or eroding the authority of America to remain as the preeminent force for peace, and good in the world, are the same voices that turn a blind eye as Assad kills hundreds of thousands, the same that refuses to lift a finger as millions die in Rwanda by the machetes blade, and the same voice that choose the naive path of considering every despot in the world as equal in moral authority, when that despot would kill you first, after your defense of them achieved their dominance.

    Neville Chamberlain was not wrong in the 30s because he wanted peace in our time, he was wrong because in his aspiration of that peace he refused to see his adversary for who they were. And that type of miscalculation of others lives on in today's liberal.
    Oh for Pete's sake. What an elitist attitude, the US is not the saviour of the world, and those people have been doing there thing over there for millennia and along comes the snot nosed, know it all Americans to tell them how to fix everything. Our domestic problems, unaddressed are eventually going to be dealt with, or we won't be worrying about the foreign. But if its your blood and your money, go for it.

    And your reference to the strong military that isn't for conquest is a lie. Everything we've done in the ME region has been conquest of the oil. It's always been about keeping the oil flowing. US foreign policy doesn't think twice about humanitarian concerns, though it sells and is the stated purpose for so many missions. Our military has destroyed too many civilian lives and property damage would by now be in tens of trillions, or more, god knows. Our drone strikes are destroying our credibility, fragile as it was.

    The good news is that there is a change in the air, and other countries are asserting themselves more, and hopefully there is a balancing of power underway.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I thought the same, until I read this...

    “Iran has purchased Russia's Club-K missile system. The Club-K is a complete missile launch system, disguised to look like a shipping container, that could convert any freighter into a missile launch platform. The Club-K, if armed with a nuclear warhead, could be used to execute an EMP attack.”

    Remember, 9/11 was just a bunch of people armed with box cutters and plane hijackings. Recently, a few armed snipers shooting at transformers in Southern CA, almost took down their power grid.

    It doesn't take massive power to cripple a giant, just strategic blows at weaknesses.
    This is true. The US military recently found a weak spot for ship launched medium/short range missles that could strike Washington DC. Terrorists are bad enough, but terrorists with better weapons are of even more concern.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    This is true. The US military recently found a weak spot for ship launched medium/short range missles that could strike Washington DC. Terrorists are bad enough, but terrorists with better weapons are of even more concern.

    Asymmetrical warfare is quickly becoming a greater concern to the US intel forces than ever thought of before. Between critical computer, electrical and service oriented attacks there are many scenarios where we are vulnerable. Just floating a ship into a major metropolises harbor and detonating a nuke or stealing a bio/chem weapon from former Soviet Republics.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Asymmetrical warfare is quickly becoming a greater concern to the US intel forces than ever thought of before. Between critical computer, electrical and service oriented attacks there are many scenarios where we are vulnerable. Just floating a ship into a major metropolises harbor and detonating a nuke or stealing a bio/chem weapon from former Soviet Republics.
    Technology is where the next war may be fought, though asymmetrical warfare, in the post ww2 era is quite common.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh for Pete's sake. What an elitist attitude, the US is not the saviour of the world, and those people have been doing there thing over there for millennia and along comes the snot nosed, know it all Americans to tell them how to fix everything. Our domestic problems, unaddressed are eventually going to be dealt with, or we won't be worrying about the foreign. But if its your blood and your money, go for it.

    And your reference to the strong military that isn't for conquest is a lie. Everything we've done in the ME region has been conquest of the oil. It's always been about keeping the oil flowing. US foreign policy doesn't think twice about humanitarian concerns, though it sells and is the stated purpose for so many missions. Our military has destroyed too many civilian lives and property damage would by now be in tens of trillions, or more, god knows. Our drone strikes are destroying our credibility, fragile as it was.

    The good news is that there is a change in the air, and other countries are asserting themselves more, and hopefully there is a balancing of power underway.
    What a self loathing view....
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    The most plausible scenario I've heard is that if Iran did try to attack they would use an EMP burst to disable the grid, then try to land ground troops. That would be an absolutely stupid plan, if they land in the south they won't make it past us without massive casualties, a lot of patriots that track game with way more advantages than a human, if they attack the east or west there are tons of military bases and mobilization wouldn't be a problem. Either way they would need an entire new military if they tried it.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh for Pete's sake. What an elitist attitude, the US is not the saviour of the world, and those people have been doing there thing over there for millennia and along comes the snot nosed, know it all Americans to tell them how to fix everything. Our domestic problems, unaddressed are eventually going to be dealt with, or we won't be worrying about the foreign. But if its your blood and your money, go for it.

    And your reference to the strong military that isn't for conquest is a lie. Everything we've done in the ME region has been conquest of the oil. It's always been about keeping the oil flowing. US foreign policy doesn't think twice about humanitarian concerns, though it sells and is the stated purpose for so many missions. Our military has destroyed too many civilian lives and property damage would by now be in tens of trillions, or more, god knows. Our drone strikes are destroying our credibility, fragile as it was.

    The good news is that there is a change in the air, and other countries are asserting themselves more, and hopefully there is a balancing of power underway.
    Yes, that must be why, whenever a country wants to emancipate itself from it's dictatorship, they cry for us to come and intervene. Give me a break, like it or not we have already been deemed to be the world's sugar daddy.

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