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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That might be true, but if we cut back on our military spending, and they continue to grow theirs, that could put us at a disadvantage some time in the future. I don't think that's so far fetched. The mighty have fallen throughout history when they get "comfortable" and careless.
    Well we've got them by two orders of magnitude right now (link) so I'm comfortable saying we've got bigger fish to fry for the foreseeable future.


    I want to make it clear though, that I don't feel like this particular "incident" puts us in imminent danger, but rather that is just a jumping off point for discussion about this particular issue that we do have with Iran and other ME countries.
    Do you have concrete steps in mind? You're 3 points (from #584) are mighty broad. I can't, for example, think of any real way to make it impossible for them to deny their terrorist operations (#1.) Even if we recorded hard evidence, and infiltrated them at all levels, many will simply believe the evidence is falsified.

    We could kill them with kindness, perhaps. Offer publicly and loudly to provide overwhelming amounts of (non-religious) humanitarian aid, and make it clear, in public, on the ground in Iran, that we want to partner up and help. Don't hand it over for them to distribute, send our own people (under the UN flag would be ok, I guess) and hand it to the public in person.

    Give them a taste of our lifestyle, and they'll demand more from their government. I can't think of anything more terrifying for their government. Likely they'd refuse outright, but then the lines would be redrawn about who stands where.


    And I'm not saying that the US is angels either, but what has happened in the past has happened and there's no changing that.
    We can change the way people think of it by apologizing and making some type of restitution, rather than pretending nothing happened.

    We've burned Iran badly in the the past, and why should we expect them believe we'll act in good faith today, if we don't acknowledge that?

    Certainly they have acted badly, too, but they've never been afforded the respect one nation gives anther by the west. Incidentally, that same lack of respect helped to drive Japan into Germany's arms in WWII.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Johnson View Post
    Then you're really not providing anything of substance by making generalizations about online posters you hardly know.
    So you stopped reading right there? Typical....*shakes head*

    You're the only one who said I hate my own country. I never said that nor is criticizing my country means I have a "hate filled view."
    Hmmmm....Let's see, you describe America as "Murica"

    "1. murica
    The way un-educated Americans (generally rednecks, hicks, republicans, or very patriotic people) say America."

    Urban Dictionary: murica

    This phrase is used in the derogatory, meant to insult people that consider themselves 'patriotic' as dumb...I am sure it is full of love though....

    Then you continue....You speak of out military as "our state sanctioned killers" displaying a deep seeded hatred of the military, you speak of our police and first responders as "child murders", that can only mean that you respect them right?

    No, you were clear, and now want to play semantics...Give it up, you're horrible at it.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Not even if they offer them pulled pork BBQ??
    Gross . I don't know, the way their minds work is a mystery to me
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    Well we've got them by two orders of magnitude right now (link) so I'm comfortable saying we've got bigger fish to fry for the foreseeable future.




    Do you have concrete steps in mind? You're 3 points (from #584) are mighty broad. I can't, for example, think of any real way to make it impossible for them to deny their terrorist operations (#1.) Even if we recorded hard evidence, and infiltrated them at all levels, many will simply believe the evidence is falsified.

    We could kill them with kindness, perhaps. Offer publicly and loudly to provide overwhelming amounts of (non-religious) humanitarian aid, and make it clear, in public, on the ground in Iran, that we want to partner up and help. Don't hand it over for them to distribute, send our own people (under the UN flag would be ok, I guess) and hand it to the public in person.

    Give them a taste of our lifestyle, and they'll demand more from their government. I can't think of anything more terrifying for their government. Likely they'd refuse outright, but then the lines would be redrawn about who stands where.




    We can change the way people think of it by apologizing and making some type of restitution, rather than pretending nothing happened.

    We've burned Iran badly in the the past, and why should we expect them believe we'll act in good faith today, if we don't acknowledge that?

    Certainly they have acted badly, too, but they've never been afforded the respect one nation gives anther by the west. Incidentally, that same lack of respect helped to drive Japan into Germany's arms in WWII.
    Well, you have to admit that it is extremely difficult to respect or to work with a person like Ahmadinejad.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So you stopped reading right there? Typical....*shakes head*
    I caught a headache trying to read the rest of the conservative red meat fluff.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Johnson View Post
    I caught a headache trying to read the rest of the conservative red meat fluff.
    That's it? That's all you got? Sorry dude, you are just not worth my time.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Maybe now that Ahmadinejad is gone, we can make some headway.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That's it? That's all you got? Sorry dude, you are just not worth my time.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Johnson View Post
    Whatever helps you sleep at night.
    I have no problems.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    News from The Associated Press



    Does anyone else think this is not a great idea? Sort of like waving red meat in front of a pit-bull.
    You can bet our subs are following them all the way.....

    If I was Obama I would order that if those ships penetrate US waterways they should be sunk immediately.

    Of course Obama wouldn't do that because he loves Iran.

    Meanwhile the Iranian military is making faux videos of US navel ships being bombed and airing the videos on their state run TV...

    Hell, I'd blow that Iranian ship - just because their attempt to get as close as possible is an insult, and their little fake videos of them blowing up are ships is a punch in the face.

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