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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Okay, bye-bye now. Obviously you have nothing of substance to add to the conversation except for nutty crazy statements with absolutely nothing to back them, so unless you have something of substance to add, see ya!
    Go ahead, keep posting your childish rhetoric for everyone to see.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    I understand that the idea of a Navy approaching US waters may seem to be frightening but I have some faith that the US military will make it clear that they do not want a new fleet arriving in American waters. This may be comparable to the president's actions during WW2, maybe Iran is showboating some of its supposed powers. But I doubt that this will be an issue.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    For those of you who actually take this topic seriously and want to hear about the problems and the solutions in some kind of detail, here is an excellent report which talks about Iran's shadowy activities and evidence of such as well. It also discusses ways in which we could deal with some of these problems, not that I agree with them all necessarily, but it's interesting nonetheless.

    https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/...ny20120725.pdf

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    Here is an excerpt, because it is pretty long. Another thing, I don't know HOW they would hope to go about accomplishing some of these goals.

    1. Deny Iran and Hezbollah Any Reasonable Deniability
    Operating in the shadows, through proxies and trusted operatives, is Iran’s trademark
    modus operandi. Iran cannot win a conventional war against the West, but it can exact a
    high price through asymmetric warfare. Key to that doctrine, however, is the need to
    maintain “reasonable deniability” for its acts of state sponsorship of terrorism. Exposing
    Iran’s involvement in international terrorism is now more important than ever, both to
    deny the group its coveted “reasonable deniability” and to build an international consensus
    for action against Iran’s support for terrorism.

    2. Raise the Cost for Iranian State Sponsorship
    One reason Iran is using terrorism as an extension of its foreign policy is that it remains a
    cost effective and relatively risk-free endeavor for Tehran. Iran must be led to believe that
    the cost of sponsoring or carrying out an act of terrorism will now be high. That will be a
    difficult message to convey in light of Iran’s history of carrying out massive attacks
    without any significant reaction from America, even in the case of attacks against U.S.
    interests (Beirut, Khobar Towers, Iraq).

    3. Apply Diplomatic Pressure
    In light of Iran’s long-standing use of diplomatic equities to support international
    terrorism, Washington should press its allies to restrict the size of Iranian missions to the
    minimum needed to conduct official business, to restrict visits by Iranian officials to official
    business only (no meetings with sympathizers, no speeches, etc.), and to exercise
    diligence about the possibility that nondiplomatic Iranian travelers connected to the
    Iranian government may be engaged in illegal activities. Iranian diplomats should only be
    allowed to travel outside the city to which they are assigned on official business.

    Consider that Iran’s intelligence penetration of South America has expanded significantly
    since the AMIA bombing. Testifying before Congress in the weeks following that 1994
    attack, the State Department’s coordinator for counterterrorism expressed concern that
    Iranian embassies in the region were stacked with larger than necessary numbers of
    diplomats, some of whom were believed to be intelligence agents and terrorist operatives:
    “We are sharing information in our possession with other States about Iranian diplomats,
    Iranian terrorist leaders who are posing as diplomats, so that nations will refuse to give
    them accreditation, or if they are already accredited, to expel them. We have had some
    success in that respect, but we have not always succeeded.”56

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't really see anything in that link that is SO outrageous. I think everything in the article is pretty much accurate. What points are you disputing?
    Not so much outrageous as crafted to deceive. Iran might get ICBMs at some point in the future, but it's not like we've stopped development, either.

    We've had ICBMs since the 60's, anyhow. By the time they reach that point, we will have made them obsolete, if indeed we haven't already.

    And none of that potential does anything about the nuclear deterrents in place.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    Not so much outrageous as crafted to deceive. Iran might get ICBMs at some point in the future, but it's not like we've stopped development, either.

    We've had ICBMs since the 60's, anyhow. By the time they reach that point, we will have made them obsolete, if indeed we haven't already.

    And none of that potential does anything about the nuclear deterrents in place.
    That might be true, but if we cut back on our military spending, and they continue to grow theirs, that could put us at a disadvantage some time in the future. I don't think that's so far fetched. The mighty have fallen throughout history when they get "comfortable" and careless.

    I want to make it clear though, that I don't feel like this particular "incident" puts us in imminent danger, but rather that is just a jumping off point for discussion about this particular issue that we do have with Iran and other ME countries.

    And I'm not saying that the US is angels either, but what has happened in the past has happened and there's no changing that.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    I understand that the idea of a Navy approaching US waters may seem to be frightening but I have some faith that the US military will make it clear that they do not want a new fleet arriving in American waters. This may be comparable to the president's actions during WW2, maybe Iran is showboating some of its supposed powers. But I doubt that this will be an issue.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Johnson View Post
    Really? Provide examples.
    Nope, not going to play the 'wild goose chase' game....Sorry...I think that once you've been here a while, you'll get to know that even the dumbest poster in here is still more on the game than the smartest average 'low information voter' if you will....For instance, one more than one occasion I myself have gone over the multiple sources I use, but to listen to hyper partisan leftists, you'd think that I only listen to FNC....That is a weak argument period...Just like if I were to say that you only get your news from MSNBC, or DailyKOS, I'm fairly sure you would dispute that...Most in here are more well informed ideology aside, than the average person.

    Give examples on why "Murica!" should bomb Iran to pieces.
    Where did I say that? I think that you should stick to what is said, and not in what you think you know.

    Give justifications and statistics as to why our state sanctioned killers should remain in the Middle East.
    Why should I go through all the work included in your request when it is clear from your language that you harbor such disdain for anything that doesn't agree with your hate filled view of your own country?

    Please explain why "law enforcement" officers here in the U.S. are allowed paid time off after murdering children.
    What does our law enforcement have to do with Iranian warships steaming for the east coast? You're on a rant here against America, that's all....

    Don't preach to me about political talking pap.
    Then give me something that isn't just that....All you're doing so far is spewing the hate filled pap of OWS or worse. Try some original thought, and we can have a discussion, other than that I will assume you aren't here for discussion at all.
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    Additionally, Iran's pursuit of asymmetric warfare is typical of the Middle East. The Iranian government sees terrorism as a cost-effective way to to exact high costs on the western world. The only solution that I see to this problem is to put more pressure diplomatically on Iran. The UN security council should also put more pressure on Iran.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Nope, not going to play the 'wild goose chase' game....
    Then you're really not providing anything of substance by making generalizations about online posters you hardly know.

    Why should I go through all the work included in your request when it is clear from your language that you harbor such disdain for anything that doesn't agree with your hate filled view of your own country?
    You're the only one who said I hate my own country. I never said that nor is criticizing my country means I have a "hate filled view."
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