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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    An American court established that Iran is responsible. Under our system, that makes it a fact.
    Indictments do not equate to convictions. Just to clarify. The case has not been proven in a court of law yet as the perpetrators are still at large. And those indicted were Saudi and Lebanese. Not Iranian.

    There has since been additional information that has come out indicating that the allegations against the Iranian government may have been made in order to downplay the Saudi issue (that they had an active Islamist movement in their own country they were either unwilling or unable to contain effectively).

    The organization responsible was Hezbollah Al-Hejaz (Saudi Hizballah). A Saudi Islamist group with ties to Iran. Certainly the link between the group and Iran is reasonable. Does that mean Iran directly sponsored the attack. Well that isn't so easy to determine in light of the new information that has come out.

    Perry: U.S. eyed Iran attack after bombing - UPI.com
    In 2001, the U.S. Justice Department announced a 46-count indictment against 13 Saudis and one Lebanese man in the bombing. All were allegedly connected to Hezbollah, a terrorist group the United States believes is linked to Iran.

    Perry said the FBI strongly believed at the time the bombing was ordered by Iran, but Saudi officials tried to discourage that theory.

    "They feared what action we would take. They rightly feared it. In fact, I had a contingency plan for a strike on Iran, if it had been if it had been clearly established. But it was never clearly established, and so we never did that," Perry said.
    US Officials Leaked False Story Blaming Iran for Khobar Attack by Gareth Porter -- Antiwar.com

    Despite that consistent denial by al-Sayegh, a Washington Post story on Apr. 14, 1997 quoted U.S. and Saudi officials as saying that al-Sayegh had met two years earlier with senior Iranian intelligence officer Brig. Gen. Ahmad Sherifi and that Iran was the "organizing force" behind the Khobar bombing. That story, leaked by officials supporting the Saudi version of the Khobar story, cited Canadian intercepts of al-Sayegh’s phone conversations in Ottawa before his arrest as allegedly incriminating evidence.

    The story lent further credence to the general belief in Washington that Iran had masterminded the bombing, mainly because U.S. intelligence had observed the surveillance of U.S. military and civilian sites in Saudi Arabia by Iranians and their Saudi allies in 1994 and 1995.

    What al-Sayegh actually told FBI agents in a series of interviews in Ottawa and Washington, however, contradicted the leaked story, according to sources familiar with those interviews.

    Al-Sayegh admitted having carried out the surveillance of one military site other than Khobar for the Iranians, but insisted that it was not to prepare for a possible terrorist bombing but to identify potential targets for Iranian retaliation in the event of a U.S. attack on Iran.

    His testimony was consistent with what Ambassador Ron Neumann, who was director of the Office for Iran and Iraq in the State Department’s Bureau of Near East Affairs from 1991 through 1994, had been saying about the Iranian reconnaissance of U.S. targets.
    So Iran's fingerprints aren't necessarily on the Khobar Tower bombing.
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate View Post
    I thought Iraq and Iran were allies, and it was the same sort of story. well this really Opened my eyes thank you
    Iraq and Iran are allies now. Since Iraq has become democratic, since the majority of its population is Shiite, it has become an effective client state of Iran. So America and Iran are on the same side of the civil war going on in Iraq right now, but the America and Iran aren't directly cooperating in the area to my knowledge.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Mosquitos, try bug juice.

    Mosquitos, snakes, tarantulas, etc. are minor league, Camp Pendleton has them all.

    Try 13 months in Vietnam with Burmese pythons that can eat a man, cobras that popped up a few feet from you while on patrol in the bush. Or the infamous "Two Step" bamboo pit viper, man eating tigers, leaches, giant mosquitos that discriminated and would turn over your dog tags while sleeping to see what your blood type was. Then you had Charley who was a pest. Then when you were in your hooch you had to deal with King Rat.

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    My father in law was in the AAC in the Pacific in WWII. His was an engineering battalion that dozed airfields, among other things, on islands that we were in the process of taking back from Japan. He had some horror of the nasty creatures that crawled around in those jungles. Also had some stories of drugged up, violent locals who wouldn't just lay down and die after being shot several times with an M1911.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Iraq and Iran are allies now. Since Iraq has become democratic, since the majority of its population is Shiite, it has become an effective client state of Iran. So America and Iran are on the same side of the civil war going on in Iraq right now, but the America and Iran aren't directly cooperating in the area to my knowledge.
    Perhaps this is where my knowledge was mixed up, i'll have to look more into it, thank you so much for this great post it really was helpful

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Mosquitos, try bug juice.

    Mosquitos, snakes, tarantulas, etc. are minor league, Camp Pendleton has them all.

    Try 13 months in Vietnam with Burmese pythons that can eat a man, cobras that popped up a few feet from you while on patrol in the bush. Or the infamous "Two Step" bamboo pit viper, man eating tigers, leaches, giant mosquitos that discriminated and would turn over your dog tags while sleeping to see what your blood type was. Then you had Charley who was a pest. Then when you were in your hooch you had to deal with King Rat.

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    We had Cobras in Egypt. I don't **** with Cobras. I don't recall seeing any rats in El Salvador, but they were there. We were always told to police our food or we would wake up with them gnawing their way through our gear to get it. Mosquitos were bad down there but controllable with bug juice for sure. Scorpions and spiders are not minor league to me lol. But if you're living with Pythons and **** like that well then, hats off to you.
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I could deal with poisonous snakes, leeches and Charley. But I hate big rats and Vietnam was infested with them.
    thats why cats are popular animals

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate View Post
    I thought Iraq and Iran were allies, and it was the same sort of story. well this really Opened my eyes thank you
    I came to the conclusion, they were commie rats.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I came to the conclusion, they were commie rats.
    Nah rats are a big problem, cats are basically used to kill rats in vietnam if the rats are commies, the death to communism Lol

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Indictments do not equate to convictions. Just to clarify. The case has not been proven in a court of law yet as the perpetrators are still at large. And those indicted were Saudi and Lebanese. Not Iranian.

    There has since been additional information that has come out indicating that the allegations against the Iranian government may have been made in order to downplay the Saudi issue (that they had an active Islamist movement in their own country they were either unwilling or unable to contain effectively).

    The organization responsible was Hezbollah Al-Hejaz (Saudi Hizballah). A Saudi Islamist group with ties to Iran. Certainly the link between the group and Iran is reasonable. Does that mean Iran directly sponsored the attack. Well that isn't so easy to determine in light of the new information that has come out.

    Perry: U.S. eyed Iran attack after bombing - UPI.com


    US Officials Leaked False Story Blaming Iran for Khobar Attack by Gareth Porter -- Antiwar.com



    So Iran's fingerprints aren't necessarily on the Khobar Tower bombing.
    Antiwar.com? really?
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