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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    By then, it's too late. Don't you see that?

    it would be much smarter to head them off several hundred miles away from our coastline and send a clear message that they won't be allowed to approach any closer.

    Allowing them to patrol, 12.5 miles offshore is stupid.
    Would you find that justification acceptable if Iran managed to sink one of our ships in the PG? Afterall our ships have nukes and are within spitting distance of Iranian territorial waters.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    We barely know who was responsible. There is massively conflicting evidence over the exact identity of the attackers, let alone their would be state sponsors. Moreover even if we did have resounding evidence of Iranian culpability we are a responsible hegemonic democracy, we don't retaliate by wantonly slaughtering people at sea and then say "By the way this was for the Khobar Towers 20 years ago".

    We prepare our retaliation, we plot possible consequences, we organize our contingencies, and then we act and we always make clear why we acted.

    We aren't god damn pirates.
    An American court established that Iran is responsible. Under our system, that makes it a fact.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Would you find that justification acceptable if Iran managed to sink one of our ships in the PG? Afterall our ships have nukes and are within spitting distance of Iranian territorial waters.
    Iran is a terrorist state. They don't get special considerations. Why are you suggesting that they should?

    And, American ships in The Persian Gulf aren't carrying nukes.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

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    I was in Central America a few times, got deported twice.
    I never got deported but I would have welcomed anything that would have got me out of there sooner. I was in El Salvador, and it sucked. Everybody...I mean everybody...was armed. It's real jungle down there. I woke up multiple times with tarantulas, scorpions, and snakes crawling around the tent. Mosquito netting and mesh laundry bags saved me daily. ****ing tarantulas can jump. High. The guy next to me fell asleep without netting around him in the middle of the day. Felt something crawling on his face and slapped it. Scorpion stung him through his eyelid. And gunfire every single night.

    Twice was enough for me. Where were you at?
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Iran is a terrorist state. They don't get special considerations. Why are you suggesting that they should?
    They get the same consideration as any other sovereign state.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    An American court established that Iran is responsible. Under our system, that makes it a fact.
    No they didn't. The United States district court issued murder indictmentsagainst four named individuals all of whom were Saudi or Gulf Arabs, and also issued indictments against several unnamed persons including a Lebanese citizen. There was no criminal trial. What happened was that the victims enlisted the support of DLA Piper to file a federal lawsuit against Iran for damages related to the incident and won them.

    The United States is hardly bound by the findings of a civil suit. Moreover the Judge in said case authorized the payment of $254 million in damages, not murder at sea.

    Meanwhile the evidence remains unclear. While it is likely that Iran was responsible for the attack, the theory of al-Qaeda's involvement has won increasing prominence and cannot be discounted. The Secretary of Defense at the time and many high ranking officials in the CIA and INR believe it is increasingly possible that al-Qaeda played a major role, which was underlined by the 9/11 Commission Report on the subject.

    In any event you failed to address the main point. Which was that this is not how a responsible democratic hegemon behaves for any number of reasons.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    They get the same consideration as any other sovereign state.
    what makes Iran a terrorist state, and not a sovereign? I agree with you... I thought that there were terrorist organisations in iran.... but the country itself is a sovereign state could someone help me understand this?

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    No they didn't. The United States district court issued murder indictmentsagainst four named individuals all of whom were Saudi or Gulf Arabs, and also issued indictments against several unnamed persons including a Lebanese citizen. There was no criminal trial. What happened was that the victims enlisted the support of DLA Piper to file a federal lawsuit against Iran for damages related to the incident and won them.

    The United States is hardly bound by the findings of a civil suit. Moreover the Judge in said case authorized the payment of $254 million in damages, not murder at sea.

    Meanwhile the evidence remains unclear. While it is likely that Iran was responsible for the attack, the theory of al-Qaeda's involvement has won increasing prominence and cannot be discounted. The Secretary of Defense at the time and many high ranking officials in the CIA and INR believe it is increasingly possible that al-Qaeda played a major role, which was underlined by the 9/11 Commission Report on the subject.

    In any event you failed to address the main point. Which was that this is not how a responsible democratic hegemon behaves for any number of reasons.
    Yes, Iran was found responsible...

    A federal judge ruled yesterday that Iran is responsible for the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing and ordered that the government pay $254 million to the families of 17 Americans who died in the attack in Saudi Arabia.

    Iran Held Liable In Khobar Attack
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate View Post
    what makes Iran a terrorist state, and not a sovereign? I agree with you... I thought that there were terrorist organisations in iran.... but the country itself is a sovereign state could someone help me understand this?
    They fund a terrorist army...that's what.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yes, Iran was found responsible...
    I addressed that word for word in my post. Either you didn't read it or you didn't understand it. You are also still dodging both the secondary and main points. I suspect because you know you've dug yourself into a really dumb position.

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