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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    Iran's ****ed up but I don't view them as the 'bad guy'. At least not any more so than we are. To date, the US remains the only nation on earth who ever deployed nukes against anyone else. This controversy is always sickeningly hypocritical. We have nukes up the ass but anyone else who wants them is a 'threat' whereas we're the 'good guys'. Ya know, because our nukes explode with the scent of jasmine and shower the earth in love and peace. Same **** with North Korea. You can't militarily **** with a nuclear nation. That's the top and bottom of it. There's nothing else.

    Power politics BS.
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    I LOL'd at the jasmine part.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Are they our territorial waters? Are the committing acts of piracy? If not there is no legal rationale for sinking them, and quite frankly it'd be an act of war on our part.

    They have as much right to be in the Atlantic as we do in the Persian Gulf.

    Should we wait until they float a nuke into Hampton roads? Or should we make a show of force, now, and discourage them from trying to float a nuke into Hampton Roads?

    It's not a matter of hating the United States or any such stupidity. We cannot act in one fashion and demand others differently.
    Good thing we didn't take that attitude in 1941, or during The Cold War. What would the world look like, if we hadn't? It would be Purdy ****ed up.

    I would probably agree with you, if we weren't talking about a rogue regime, with a hair trigger, that maintains it's own terrorist army. Iran is no different than Nazi Germany. We should learn from history and treat them accordingly.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    First off, I don't boast my service. I didn't even mention my service in this thread. You're the one with the personal attacks--making the thread about me, vice the topic, as usual. If you hadn't referred to me as an "armchair general", I wouldn't even have asked, so look in the mirror when you want someone to complain about.
    I called you an armchair warrior because that's what you are. You are advocating starting a shooting war for absolutely no reason. One which you would never have to participate. If we were to sink Iranian naval vessels in international waters because they "might" be trying to feel the edges of the box so to speak we would be responsible for setting off a new wave of anti-American hate (and it would be justified) and even more violence. People other than just those Iranian soldiers would die. The U.S. sails wherever it wants with impunity because nobody else can **** with us. Last time I checked we were directly responsible for a lot more death and destruction in middle east and Africa than Iran was.

    Your suggestion is irrational.

    That being said, during my service I learned what a "probe" is, or it could be a "reconnaissance in force". Conventional wisdom dictates that he should be treated as such and met with the appropriate response. Prudence dictates that we should consider this a dry run, to see how hard it would be to deliver a nuke to, or within close proximity of the US coastline.

    This isn't just a day cruise. There are hundreds of thousands of square miles of ocean, where the Iranian navy can train and never come within a few thousand miles of the United States. But, does that matter to some folks? Of course not, they hate America and encourage any country in the world to challenge us.
    So? If they don't enter our territorial waters they have every right to cruise wherever they want. There is nothing new about anti-American rhetoric. We bring a lot of it on ourselves. And before you run your suck about liberals hating America or the military or some such bull**** let me stop you. Critical examination of our past misdeeds is essential to fixing this nation. The military is an extension of civilian crafted foreign policy. Poor foreign policy has resulted in the thousands of U.S. casualties. Not to mention scores more civilian casualties and tens, if not hundreds, of billions of dollars in property damage in foreign countries. There is a reason so many people around the world see the U.S. as the biggest threat to world peace.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Should we wait until they float a nuke into Hampton roads? Or should we make a show of force, now, and discourage them from trying to float a nuke into Hampton Roads?



    Good thing we didn't take that attitude in 1941, or during The Cold War. What would the world look like, if we hadn't? It would be Purdy ****ed up.

    I would probably agree with you, if we weren't talking about a rogue regime, with a hair trigger, that maintains it's own terrorist army. Iran is no different than Nazi Germany. We should learn from history and treat them accordingly.
    Floating a nuke into Hampton Roads means they've entered our waters without permission. That's a different scenario.

    The problem I have here is twofold. First there are International norms - call them laws - that we've agreed to. We can't simply ignore our obligations under them just because we feel like it.

    Secondly our justification for doing can very easily be turned on it's head and used by the Iranians to attempt to sink our ships in the PG. And our ships objectively pose a much greater risk to Iran than theirs do to us.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Only a Libbo would call it murder.
    No, attacking the ships of a country that we are not at war with for the purpose of killing their sailors is murder.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Should we wait until they float a nuke into Hampton roads? Or should we make a show of force, now, and discourage them from trying to float a nuke into Hampton Roads?



    Good thing we didn't take that attitude in 1941, or during The Cold War. What would the world look like, if we hadn't? It would be Purdy ****ed up.

    I would probably agree with you, if we weren't talking about a rogue regime, with a hair trigger, that maintains it's own terrorist army. Iran is no different than Nazi Germany. We should learn from history and treat them accordingly.
    So you want to sink them? They are in international waters and there is no state of war with Iran...and you want to sink a small frigate and it's support ship?

    Is that what you want to do?

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    So you want to sink them? They are in international waters and there is no state of war with Iran...and you want to sink a small frigate and it's support ship?

    Is that what you want to do?
    Why don't we see the same consternation over Iran's murder of Americans?
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    No, attacking the ships of a country that we are not at war with for the purpose of killing their sailors is murder.
    Like the Khobar Towers? Was that murder, too?
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Floating a nuke into Hampton Roads means they've entered our waters without permission. That's a different scenario.

    The problem I have here is twofold. First there are International norms - call them laws - that we've agreed to. We can't simply ignore our obligations under them just because we feel like it.

    Secondly our justification for doing can very easily be turned on it's head and used by the Iranians to attempt to sink our ships in the PG. And our ships objectively pose a much greater risk to Iran than theirs do to us.
    By then, it's too late. Don't you see that?

    it would be much smarter to head them off several hundred miles away from our coastline and send a clear message that they won't be allowed to approach any closer.

    Allowing them to patrol, 12.5 miles offshore is stupid.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    In other news, a man's penis was 2 inches away from a woman's vagina.

    Not really a story if it doesn't go in huh?
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