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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    You don't know? They threaten to close down the canal (Strait of whatever it's called). THAT is a legitimate threat to not only our interests but a large portion of the world. They are constantly making threats to do this or that. They have a nuclear program, and they limit UN inspectors access to large portions. They refuse to recognize Israel. Israel is a country full of people too you know! These are just some things.
    I don't know which if those is so obviously irrational.

    The threats are part of international diplomacy. That threat was to close the strait if we stopped them from selling oil, thereby crippling their economy. <Link>

    They understand the consequences of attacking anyone with a nuclear weapon. Hysterical types like yourself are more likely to start a war than prevent one.

    The Israel thing is a purely political. Everyone who matters has recognized Israel.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Personal attacks aside, I have doubts that you were in the service. If you were, you were a REMF.
    Why? Because I don't boast of my service like you do? Because I don't pretend that because I served in the military I obviously know more than anyone who disagrees with me like you do? Because I don't mindlessly endorse anything pro-military related just because it's pro-military related even when it doesn't make sense like you do? Some people served honorably and don't try to act like it makes them somehow more knowledgeable about military matters than others. Military service only qualifies you to speak on the exact job you did and your anecdotal experiences. Pretending you understand strategic and geopolitical issues simply because you were in Vietnam is extremely transparent. The information you post betrays your level of understanding of those issues.

    I have a DD214 to prove my service. I have a complete copy of my 201 file. Did my basic and AIT at Ft. Benning GA., Sand Hill barracks. Did my MP training at Ft. Leonard Wood. You're online bravado and CIB avatar don't impress me. The posts you make give reasonable people concern over your state of mind. You may live under the illusion that you impress people with your military credentials but seriously, nobody can be sure about anybody else with regard to the truth on these forums. So far I am no more convinced you are a combat vet than any other poster. You seem to go too far in making sure people get the word you served. Maybe you think it serves as a qualifier for your irrational rants. Who knows?
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Iran's ****ed up but I don't view them as the 'bad guy'. At least not any more so than we are. To date, the US remains the only nation on earth who ever deployed nukes against anyone else. This controversy is always sickeningly hypocritical. We have nukes up the ass but anyone else who wants them is a 'threat' whereas we're the 'good guys'. Ya know, because our nukes explode with the scent of jasmine and shower the earth in love and peace. Same **** with North Korea. You can't militarily **** with a nuclear nation. That's the top and bottom of it. There's nothing else.

    Power politics BS.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Why? Because I don't boast of my service like you do? Because I don't pretend that because I served in the military I obviously know more than anyone who disagrees with me like you do? Because I don't mindlessly endorse anything pro-military related just because it's pro-military related even when it doesn't make sense like you do? Some people served honorably and don't try to act like it makes them somehow more knowledgeable about military matters than others. Military service only qualifies you to speak on the exact job you did and your anecdotal experiences. Pretending you understand strategic and geopolitical issues simply because you were in Vietnam is extremely transparent. The information you post betrays your level of understanding of those issues.

    I have a DD214 to prove my service. I have a complete copy of my 201 file. Did my basic and AIT at Ft. Benning GA., Sand Hill barracks. Did my MP training at Ft. Leonard Wood. You're online bravado and CIB avatar don't impress me. The posts you make give reasonable people concern over your state of mind. You may live under the illusion that you impress people with your military credentials but seriously, nobody can be sure about anybody else with regard to the truth on these forums. So far I am no more convinced you are a combat vet than any other poster. You seem to go too far in making sure people get the word you served. Maybe you think it serves as a qualifier for your irrational rants. Who knows?
    First off, I don't boast my service. I didn't even mention my service in this thread. You're the one with the personal attacks--making the thread about me, vice the topic, as usual. If you hadn't referred to me as an "armchair general", I wouldn't even have asked, so look in the mirror when you want someone to complain about.

    That being said, during my service I learned what a "probe" is, or it could be a "reconnaissance in force". Conventional wisdom dictates that he should be treated as such and met with the appropriate response. Prudence dictates that we should consider this a dry run, to see how hard it would be to deliver a nuke to, or within close proximity of the US coastline.

    This isn't just a day cruise. There are hundreds of thousands of square miles of ocean, where the Iranian navy can train and never come within a few thousand miles of the United States. But, does that matter to some folks? Of course not, they hate America and encourage any country in the world to challenge us.

    Now, troop, get with the program and discuss the topic. A real 11 bang-bang doesn't do all the poor mouthin'.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    We have a history of rejecting any kind of normalization of relations with Iran. Our rebuff of their offer to assist in dealing with Al Qaeda and Iraq after 9/11 is a prime example. American hubris under the Bush administration all but murdered any chance of rescuing any kind of civil relationship with Iran.

    And before the "'MURICA!" crowd starts in, no I don't believe we should have slapped them in the face like we did. Their government may be belligerent towards the west but there is a population in that country that needs to see that the U.S. doesn't hate Iran, we simply disagree with their government...as much of their populace does.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I say we sink'em.
    Sure, if we want them to nuke Jerusalem.


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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Ahh, those are the new ships of the Iranian Navy. They are glass-bottomed boats. I know, sounds insane, but they built them so they can look down at the old Iranian Navy. LOL.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post

    That being said, during my service I learned what a "probe" is, or it could be a "reconnaissance in force". Conventional wisdom dictates that he should be treated as such and met with the appropriate response. Prudence dictates that we should consider this a dry run, to see how hard it would be to deliver a nuke to, or within close proximity of the US coastline.

    This isn't just a day cruise. There are hundreds of thousands of square miles of ocean, where the Iranian navy can train and never come within a few thousand miles of the United States. But, does that matter to some folks? Of course not, they hate America and encourage any country in the world to challenge us.
    Are they our territorial waters? Are the committing acts of piracy? If not there is no legal rationale for sinking them, and quite frankly it'd be an act of war on our part.

    They have as much right to be in the Atlantic as we do in the Persian Gulf.

    It's not a matter of hating the United States or any such stupidity. We cannot act in one fashion and demand others differently.
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