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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That certainly does not make THEM the good guys, and I hate to tell you but YES, compared to them we are good guys. Maybe you should try living over there too. Lol!
    Do you think they are better or worse off than they would have been if we hadn't overthrown their government in the '50s and played both sides of their war in the 1980s?

    And what were our "good guy" reasons to do those things?

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    Do you think they are better or worse off than they would have been if we hadn't overthrown their government in the '50s and played both sides of their war in the 1980s?

    And what were our "good guy" reasons to do those things?
    Who knows? That was before I was born, and what's done is done. Do you think the US takes actions just to mess with other countries and annoy them, or do you think there might be legitimate reasons sometimes? Are you privy to all of the intelligence surrounding such issues?

    You can't go back into the past and change events, so we concentrate on CURRENT issues, and the fact is that Iran tortures and kills it's own citizens without a fair trial on a fairly regular basis, so if you want to be on the side of fairy tales in trying to make the Iranians seem "good" then that's on your conscience, but any one with brain cells knows that is NOT the case. To call them "rational" is an outright lie.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Who knows? That was before I was born, and what's done is done. Do you think the US takes actions just to mess with other countries and annoy them, or do you think there might be legitimate reasons sometimes? Are you privy to all of the intelligence surrounding such issues?

    You can't go back into the past and change events, so we concentrate on CURRENT issues, and the fact is that Iran tortures and kills it's own citizens without a fair trial on a fairly regular basis, so if you want to be on the side of fairy tales in trying to make the Iranians seem "good" then that's on your conscience, but any one with brain cells knows that is NOT the case. To call them "rational" is an outright lie.
    Ok, so it doesn't matter how we've treated them until today. Their jerks for not trusting us.

    Short and easy to remember, anyhow.

    So help me out. What have they done recently that's irrational?

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    Ok, so it doesn't matter how we've treated them until today. Their jerks for not trusting us.

    Short and easy to remember, anyhow.

    So help me out. What have they done recently that's irrational?
    That is not the point at all. The point is that they are not rational and they are a country run by religious extremists.

    Uhh, don't you consider the things that were posted in the links as irrational?

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That is not the point at all. The point is that they are not rational and they are a country run by religious extremists.

    Uhh, don't you consider the things that were posted in the links as irrational?
    What, harsh prisons and an absence of political freedom? We've had the same in the U.S., and no one spent decades screwing with us over it.

    It sucks, but irrational? More like the status quo for many, many nations. Should we be threatening them all?

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    What, harsh prisons and an absence of political freedom? We've had the same in the U.S., and no one spent decades screwing with us over it.

    It sucks, but irrational? More like the status quo for many, many nations. Should we be threatening them all?
    Please, they play games and they are certainly NOT innocent victims. They are pretty much a thorn in the side of everyone, even China and Russia tire of the paranoia and persecution complex. They are a hateful country, and not only towards the United States.

    And let's NOT forget the roles that the French and the British played in the ME either.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Oh, and as far as I'm aware, the US hasn't even had an embassy there since 1979.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Please, they play games and they are certainly NOT innocent victims. They are pretty much a thorn in the side of everyone, even China and Russia tire of the paranoia and persecution complex. They are a hateful country, and not only towards the United States.

    And let's NOT forget the roles that the French and the British played in the ME either.
    So Iran is the the victim of those nations, but the U.S. is righteous?

    Russian and China supplied then with weapons, but then so did the U.S., once upon a time. The excuse when we shot down that civilian craft (killing 290 aboard) was that we thought it was an F-14 we had sold them.

    How are their (international) acts hateful? I get that you don't like how they run themselves, but does that justify screwing with them for decades?


    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Oh, and as far as I'm aware, the US hasn't even had an embassy there since 1979.
    Well, we already know what you think of the ancient days of 30 years ago. Are you saying that's a problem we can't fix today?

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    So Iran is the the victim of those nations, but the U.S. is righteous?

    Russian and China supplied then with weapons, but then so did the U.S., once upon a time. The excuse when we shot down that civilian craft (killing 290 aboard) was that we thought it was an F-14 we had sold them.

    How are their (international) acts hateful? I get that you don't like how they run themselves, but does that justify screwing with them for decades?
    This is not a one-way street. You talk as if they are not a thorn in the side of the international community. They do this intentionally.

    Yes, you can whine about past events, but why don't you name ONE country that has not been involved in some "shady" business. Sorry, but it is a dog-eat-dog world out there, and of course the US has to sometimes take action to protect our own interests in the world. Since you nor I are privy to any top secret intelligence data, I don't think you can speak to what the actual level of threat in the past has been. So to you what looks like "screwing with them" could actually have a legitimate purpose.




    Well, we already know what you think of the ancient days of 30 years ago. Are you saying that's a problem we can't fix today?
    Lol, we haven't had an embassy there since 1979. Didn't Obama "extend his hand in peace" anyway? How'd THAT work out? You cannot deal in a rational manner with a country that is run by irrational religious extremists.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Please, they play games and they are certainly NOT innocent victims. They are pretty much a thorn in the side of everyone, even China and Russia tire of the paranoia and persecution complex. They are a hateful country, and not only towards the United States.

    And let's NOT forget the roles that the French and the British played in the ME either.
    The Iranian government is hateful toward the US and its allies, no question. The Iranian people, at least the ones I've been able to hear, don't hate the US despite their government lining up school children to chant "death to the USA" and other delightful slogans.

    There are valid historical reasons why the government hates the US, or more specifically, our government. We could ignore history and just scratch our heads wondering why the Ayatollas that are the real power in that unfortunate country hate us so much, but our understanding of the enemy would be much better if we did take an objective look at history. Moreover, were we to do that, we'd be less likely to repeat that history.

    Meanwhile, the Iranian people are subjected to an authoritarian and despotic theocracy, and there really isn't much we can do about it.
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