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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    wait what? are you Saying iran was our enemy after 9/11? Iran offered us Aid after 9/11? Iran has no allegiance to al Qaeda , they hate al Qaeda as enemys.
    Iran has been our enemy since 1979. Where you been? Hezbollah murdered 19 American servicemen in the Khobar Tower Bombing. You seem ready to condone that.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The links between Iran and Hezbollah is well documented so we know they at least work with internationally known terrorist organizations. Iran publicly denouncing al Qaeda and in the backroom working with them... is that a giant leap? Certainly you're right, it's not a fact with evidence to corroborate it but if al Qaeda can do something that Iran needs and can have deniability - why not? I use "al Qaeda" in the broadest sense - any and all affiliates not just the dozen people protecting al Zawahiri.
    the members of AL Qeada to my knowledge are practitioners of the sunni branch islam. Iran is largely represented by followers of the Shia branch of islam. the two branches don't get along and fanatics go out of their way to kill members of the rival branch.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat152 View Post
    I have Iraq, Afghanistan, and Vietnam to back up my opinion that decisive victory against enemies that practice guerrilla warfare to such extent is next to impossible. The Persian Gulf War is the kind I prefer, Short, Sweet, to the point, and we leave with the country intact enough to not descend into chaos. Just enough to keep them in check for some time, no need for total victory.
    We defeated the enemy, on the battlefield in every one of your examples. Want to try again?
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The same way you win a war on Nazism. You kill all the terrorists.

    One thing's for sure, your negative, defeatist attitude isn't going to win crap.
    You cant solve a problem by killing everybody. We destroyed Nazi Germany as a country and political entity, but there are still people that are self- identified Nazis doing harm.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The same way you win a war on Nazism. You kill all the terrorists.

    One thing's for sure, your negative, defeatist attitude isn't going to win crap.
    I wasn't aware we killed all the Nazis.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat152 View Post
    They know that if they moved further on the nukes we would clamp down with sanctions even worse than before. Again, they aren't stupid. I really wish the right would stop saying baseless stuff about the left, and keep to the rational discussion.
    You are right, they aren't stupid, they know how to pimp the west like N. Korea did while it developed its nukes.

    There are plenty of lefties here who will, after defending Iran, come around to admitting they could care less (why shouldnt they if we do, they say).

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Iran has been our enemy since 1979. Where you been? Hezbollah murdered 19 American servicemen in the Khobar Tower Bombing. You seem ready to condone that.
    have we declared war against iran? if not then i cannot bring myself to use language that implies we are in a war with Iran.

    Hezbollah on the other hand is a terrorist organization and i will not condone any act of murder committed by a criminal organization.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    AQ attacked us.
    Welcome to the revisionism of the left. BTW, WW2 was our fault too.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We defeated the enemy, on the battlefield in every one of your examples. Want to try again?
    In none of my examples did we win total and decisive victory, Vietnam is communist, Iraq is falling apart, and Afghanistan is showing signs of doing the same. We can defeat them on every battlefield they feel like showing up on, but that still does not win the war.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We defeated the enemy, on the battlefield in every one of your examples. Want to try again?
    actually they did not win the battle of wining the hearts and minds of the people.
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