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Iran sending warships close to US borders[W:623]

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Montecresto said:
Yes, things really due need fixing, and you ignored his point that it won't be republicans doing it either.
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When it comes to issues of the economy, including jobs, the defecit, and spending I give the nod to the right. They dont always do what they should, but they beat the left by a wide margin.

Obama's policies have prolonged this recession, failed to improve the job market, and have burdened the poor with enormous expense-gas, Obamacare, etc.
 
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US Conservative said:
When it comes to issues of the economy, including jobs, the defecit, and spending I give the nod to the right. They dont always do what they should, but they beat the left by a wide margin.

Obama's policies have prolonged this recession, failed to improve the job market, and have burdened the poor with enormous expense-gas, Obamacare, etc.
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Yes, but none of the things you mentioned will be repaired by republicans.
 
Michael Johnson said:
lol Why because you can't relieve the burden of proof off of you?
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Because it's impossible to prove a negative. That's why the burden of proof belongs on the claim and not the negative.

For example: One cannot prove unicorns don't exist. The burden of proof is on the claim that they do.


This simple logic and reason is the basis of the scientific method and our justice system.
 
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Montecresto said:
Even if Iran were a threat, this ignores, as most patronising Americans do, but not all, the REASON why Iran or any other country for that matter, may wish to attack America.
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grip said:
Why would Iran want to attack the USA? You're kidding, right? They call us the "Great Satan" and you wonder if they like us? Besides, I don't think they'll honestly initiate an attack, only the ruse for bargaining power, over nuclear technology.
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If a country "attacks" us, I don't think the reason WHY is at the top of my list of things to worry about. I'd be more concerned with defending ourselves and having the means to do so.

Do I think this latest dumb threat means anything? Of course not, it's just more posturing and nothing more. What are they going to do with their old outdated couple of ships against our state-of-the-art fleets?
 
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US Conservative said:
Well, the one thing we KNOW, is that they aren't being repaired by democrats.
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No they aren't, and were created by both parties, and perpetuated by both parties. A clean break is the fix, but its not easy.
 
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ChrisL said:
If a country "attacks" us, I don't think the reason WHY is at the top of my list of things to worry about. I'd be more concerned with defending ourselves and having the means to do so.

Do I think this latest dumb threat means anything? Of course not, it's just more posturing and nothing more. What are they going to do with their old outdated couple of ships against our state-of-the-art fleets?
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If the reason for an attack was preventable it should be paramount.
 
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Montecresto said:
Even if Iran were a threat, this ignores, as most patronising Americans do, but not all, the REASON why Iran or any other country for that matter, may wish to attack America.
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Montecresto said:
If the reason for an attack was preventable it should be paramount.
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It's kind of late once you're being attacked, don't you think? :doh At that point, it's survival of the fittest.
 
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ChrisL said:
It's kind of late once you're being attacked, don't you think? :doh At that point, it's survival of the fittest.
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Point being that when you interfere with and provoke nations, they may be inclined to attack you, and that is preventable.
 
ecofarm said:
Because it's impossible to prove a negative. That's why the burden of proof belongs on the claim and not the negative.

For example: One cannot prove unicorns don't exist. The burden of proof is on the claim that they do.


This simple logic and reason is the basis of the scientific method and our justice system.
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Right, so you're not going to provide any evidence to back up your claim.

Thought so.
 
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Montecresto said:
Point being that when you interfere with and provoke nations, they may be inclined to attack you, and that is preventable.
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Oh really? Well since you seem to be an expert at foreign relations, why don't you tell us how we should go about establishing "relations" with a country like Iran, and give details please.

What? Are you going to say to just "leave them alone?" Well that's just not feasible in our "global" community, now is it?
 
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US Conservative said:
Iran destabilized the ME, disrupted commerce to the world, and funds or supplies more of the worlds terrorists than anyone else.
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No you're thinking of Saudi Arabia. Thanks to their oil they can do these things and still be our very best friends. Most of the hi-jackers from 9-11 came from there.
 
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US Conservative said:
Only to a leftist is ww2 the US's fault.
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That's stupid, that we were involved in it is our fault. I never said the entire war was our fault. Germany and Japan were making war, not on the US, but FDR's interest in involvement led to provocations to both countries, Germany never took the bait, Japan did.
 
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ChrisL said:
Oh really? Well since you seem to be an expert at foreign relations, why don't you tell us how we should go about establishing "relations" with a country like Iran, and give details please.

What? Are you going to say to just "leave them alone?" Well that's just not feasible in our "global" community, now is it?
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No, I suppose that in our global community we need to be menacing Iran. I think its funny how easily people excuse the US doing all manner of things to countries that we would never tolerate ourselves.
 
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Montecresto said:
No, I suppose that in our global community we need to be menacing Iran. I think its funny how easily people excuse the US doing all manner of things to countries that we would never tolerate ourselves.
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Um, sorry, but it is Iran who does the menacing of everyone else on the planet. They are constantly making threats to close down the canal, which is of the utmost importance to a lot of other countries in the world and keeping that canal open is imperative to the economic well-being of at least SEVERAL countries. Iran is a thorn in the side of many different countries. Don't know why that's hard to see. It's pretty clear.

No, Iran cannot throw temper tantrums and do these things which effect the rest of the world. Sorry, but whatever they're still "mad" about is just not as important.
 
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ChrisL said:
Um, sorry, but it is Iran who does the menacing of everyone else on the planet. They are constantly making threats to close down the canal, which is of the utmost importance to a lot of other countries in the world and keeping that canal open is imperative to the economic well-being of at least SEVERAL countries. Iran is a thorn in the side of many different countries. Don't know why that's hard to see. It's pretty clear.

No, Iran cannot throw temper tantrums and do these things which effect the rest of the world. Sorry, but whatever they're still "mad" about is just not as important.
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I think you mean the Straight of Hormuz
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They make some noise, but it is to their economic interest to keep the oil flowing
 
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annata said:
I think you mean the Straight of Hormuz
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They make some noise, but it is to their economic interest to keep the oil flowing
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Yes, that's the canal I'm referring to. The rest of the world cannot take that chance with those bat-**** crazy people that are running Iran. It is NOT a rational country that publicly executes its own citizens on VERY questionable grounds and repeatedly commits human rights abuses.
 
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ChrisL said:
Yes, that's the canal I'm referring to. The rest of the world cannot take that chance with those bat-**** crazy people that are running Iran. It is NOT a rational country that publicly executes its own citizens on VERY questionable grounds and repeatedly commits human rights abuses.
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Thing is the ME is all bath**** crazy; so I don't see what singling out Iran accomplishes.

You got Saudi Arabia - where the 9-11 hijackers came from; and their brand of fundamentalism ( Wahhabism ) Wahhabism - definition of Wahhabism by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
these are the people that exported this 'sect' to Pakistan (Taliban).

Then look at the cauldron of Syria -all the players there - a lot of Sunni jihadist. Iran is a Shi'a country. Best thing to do is negotitate a detente' like we did with the USSR.

They are a regional power; just live with them, if not embrace them.
 
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annata said:
Thing is the ME is all bath**** crazy; so I don't see what singling out Iran accomplishes.

You got Saudi Arabia - where the 9-11 hijackers came from; and their brand of fundamentalism ( Wahhabism ) Wahhabism - definition of Wahhabism by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
these are the people that exported this 'sect' to Pakistan (Taliban).

Then look at the cauldron of Syria -all the players there - a lot of Sunni jihadist. Iran is a Shi'a country. Best thing to do is negotitate a detente' like we did with the USSR.

They are a regional power; just live with them, if not embrace them.
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I don't think those other countries can make the same impact that Iran could. We don't just pay attention to this country to annoy them you know. There ARE reasons for this.

Don't you remember when Obama extended an "unclenched fist?" It did NOT work because they are insane and think we are infidels. They do not want to work with us, they would rather destroy us if that were possible. They HATE us.
 
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They HANG people in Iran publicly for "sins" such as homosexuality and drug use, also adultery.
 
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It's kind of funny because I'm sure President Obama felt exactly the way a lot of you on this thread feel, yet HE learned that there is no negotiating with a country like Iran. If they didn't hate us for one thing, they would just find another reason to hate us because that is what they do.
 
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