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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

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    The irony is, if we take a death toll tally, I do believe the U.S. would be at the top of the leader board. I firmly believe those on the receiving end of the US stick view us every bit as much of a terrorist as we view them. And they have a lot more bodies to make their case with than we do. It's all a matter of perspective, I suppose. By definition, terrorism being not state sponsored or actions of a recognized military, we have the argument won by definition. But if we were to describe terrorist as "one who inflicts terror," the U.S. definitely scares the hell out of them more than they scare us.
    Of course the Nazis and the Communists are going to view us as the bad guys. Anytime we foil someone's plans, they're going to say that WE are the terrorists; be it the Brits, Spanish, Confederates, Germans, Nazis, Communists, or the Islamofacists. At the end of the day, we killed those people because THEY started trouble us, not the other way around.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    An American court determined that Iran is responsible for the Khobar Towers Bombing.

    I never said Iran is sending ships to attack us, but it's definitely a probe to test our response.
    They have been testing our response since their little fishing boats mounted .50 cals on their bow and started shooting the paint off our hulls.

    That is why, regardless of my philosophical contributions in my previous posts, I have no sympathy for Iran or whatever heavy handed pressure we, or anyone, poses upon them. I think only prudence and self-preservation keeps us from squatting them like a fat mosquito.

    Truth is, and we all know it, the repercussions of a serious military attack on Iran, as the political dominoes start to fall, could lead us to a World War that would cost us a lot more in blood, treasure and grief than anything that is facing us now.

    Yeah, I really want to go whup their ass. But, I know better. Dammit.

    Too soon old. Too late smart.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    They have been testing our response since their little fishing boats mounted .50 cals on their bow and started shooting the paint off our hulls.

    That is why, regardless of my philosophical contributions in my previous posts, I have no sympathy for Iran or whatever heavy handed pressure we, or anyone, poses upon them. I think only prudence and self-preservation keeps us from squatting them like a fat mosquito.

    Truth is, and we all know it, the repercussions of a serious military attack on Iran, as the political dominoes start to fall, could lead us to a World War that would cost us a lot more in blood, treasure and grief than anything that is facing us now.

    Yeah, I really want to go whup their ass. But, I know better. Dammit.

    Too soon old. Too late smart.
    It wouldn't lead to a world war, but it would damage our strategic and economic partnerships and strengthen those of our enemies. That, and exhaust considerable resources.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Of course the Nazis and the Communists are going to view us as the bad guys. Anytime we foil someone's plans, they're going to say that WE are the terrorists; be it the Brits, Spanish, Confederates, Germans, Nazis, Communists, or the Islamofacists. At the end of the day, we killed those people because THEY started trouble us, not the other way around.
    Absolutely. And we will say the opposite. You hit the nail on the head.

    I think we are right. They are equally convinced they are right.

    They say this. We say that. Talk. Talk. Talk.

    Funny how two people can stare at the very same sculpture and walk away with two entirely different interpretations of what they both just saw with their own eyes.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    If Iran bombing the Khobar towers (a complex I was in 2 weeks prior to the attack) is your rationale for war, then go to war. It is simply not an option to sink ships in international water without a declaration of an intent to attack. I find it kind of hard to believe you are seriously suggesting that would be appropriate.
    I don't disagree that a statement of our intentions would be appropriate, or even a declaration of war.

    However, an attack on Iranian warships that are bumping our border wouldn't be "cold blooded murder" as certain hand wringers have suggested, when you consider Iran's murder of Americans in the past.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    It wouldn't lead to a world war, but it would damage our strategic and economic partnerships and strengthen those of our enemies. That, and exhaust considerable resources.
    I doubt anyone in the region would shed a tear if someone took out The Islamic Republic.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I don't disagree that a statement of our intentions would be appropriate, or even a declaration of war.

    However, an attack on Iranian warships that are bumping our border wouldn't be "cold blooded murder" as certain hand wringers have suggested, when you consider Iran's murder of Americans in the past.
    Of course it would be. There is absolutely no way the vessels they send could withstand an unprovoked attack in international waters. It would be premeditated and would indeed be cold blooded calculated murder. It would also be an act of war. Seriously dood...there is a world of difference between what you might want to be able to fantasize about and what you should promote and advocate as the 'right' thing to do.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I doubt anyone in the region would shed a tear if someone took out The Islamic Republic.
    I think Russia might take an exception to it. It might cause them to tweet another nasty gram.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Of course it would be. There is absolutely no way the vessels they send could withstand an unprovoked attack in international waters. It would be premeditated and would indeed be cold blooded calculated murder. It would also be an act of war. Seriously dood...there is a world of difference between what you might want to be able to fantasize about and what you should promote and advocate as the 'right' thing to do.
    EXACTLY!

    As much as I would like to stick it up Iran's ass, logic and the dictates of reason prevent me from promoting such an action.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Of course it would be. There is absolutely no way the vessels they send could withstand an unprovoked attack in international waters. It would be premeditated and would indeed be cold blooded calculated murder. It would also be an act of war. Seriously dood...there is a world of difference between what you might want to be able to fantasize about and what you should promote and advocate as the 'right' thing to do.
    You're on this one, bro. Attacking those boats would be 1) a response to past aggression an 2) a safegaurd against a nuclear attack in the future.

    The Iranians don't need a sophisticated delivery system to detinate a nuke in the US. The ship itself could be the delivery system.
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