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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Iran regularly takes small arms pot shots at US merchant and military ships in the straights of hormuz.
    Then the time to respond would be then, correct?

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

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    Acts of war have already been committed by The Islamic Republic.

    U.S. military leader says Iranian weapons killing Americans in Iraq - CNN.com
    Then declare war and be done with it. But to ignore everything and think sink naval vessels in International waters (because...why again?) is criminal.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Acts of war have already been committed by The Islamic Republic.

    U.S. military leader says Iranian weapons killing Americans in Iraq - CNN.com
    I hear ya, but......

    The U.S. has had battle groups, in the Persian Gulf, with warship guns pointed at Iran, for at least 30 years that I know of. I've stood watch on those ships. And we have some kind of moral high ground to get all worked up about when Iran send two of their ducky boats on our side of the hemisphere? The same with weaponry. American weapons have been killing people all around the world. Remember, it's the shooter, not the gun. Unless, of course, you support more gun control.

    I'm with you. Don't get me wrong. I'd just as soon turn the whole region in to a glass parking lot. But let's not pretend that the U.S. isn't a hundred times worse when it comes to dealing death and encroachment of sovereign spaces.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Then the time to respond would be then, correct?
    And yet we dont.

    Heres an example of Iran's latest propaganda, the Naval portion comes after the bombing of cities and civilian airports, at around 7 minutes in. Watch the video, get an idea of how these people think.



    Iranian TV airs simulated bombing of Tel Aviv, US aircraft carrier | The Times of Israel

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I really want one of the Indian models converted to .308, they are true war pigs.
    It could be done but it wouldn't be cheap. You would have to shorten the chamber like the way the U.S. Navy did during the 60's when they converted many M-1 Garands from 30-06 to 7.62 NATO (Winchester .308) < I wonder what ever happened to all of those Navy M-1 Garands that were rechamberd for the .308 ? >

    All the Winchester .308 is, a 30-06 in which the shell is 1/2" shorter than the 30-06 shell.

    The Winchester .308 is my favorite rifle cartridge. But when I had the money and had to decide on an all around hunting rifle, I wanted a rifle with a Mauser action and chambered for the .308. I wanted the best or close to the best. The Winchester Pre-64 Mod. 70 was my pick. I heard of a gun shop in Van Nuys (back when there were still gun shops in L.A.) The Pony Express and heard they had a collection of Pre-64 Winchester Mod 70's.

    Went to the Pony Express gun shop with a wad of greenbacks. I learned that the Pre-64 Mod. 70's were only chambered for the full size rifle cartridges, 30-06, Winch. .270 and 7 MM Mag.

    So I settled for the Winch .270 because it has just a little less recoil than the 30-06.

    There are still a lot of surplus 303 Enfields out there.

    The 303 just like the 30-06 and 8 MM Mauser all kick like a Missouri mule. The .308 only kicks like wild desert burro

    The Winchester .308 is almost as accurate as a 30-06.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I hear ya, but......

    The U.S. has had battle groups, in the Persian Gulf, with warship guns pointed at Iran, for at least 30 years that I know of. I've stood watch on those ships. And we have some kind of moral high ground to get all worked up about when Iran send two of their ducky boats on our side of the hemisphere? The same with weaponry. American weapons have been killing people all around the world. Remember, it's the shooter, not the gun. Unless, of course, you support more gun control.

    I'm with you. Don't get me wrong. I'd just as soon turn the whole region in to a glass parking lot. But let's not pretend that the U.S. isn't a hundred times worse when it comes to dealing death and encroachment of sovereign spaces.
    Iran has been anti-american, and actively supported terrorism against the US for 30 years, what the hell do you think we should do, send them a cake?

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Iran has been anti-american, and actively supported terrorism against the US for 30 years, what the hell do you think we should do, send them a cake?
    Not at all. Like I said, I'd just as soon melt them in to oblivion. They screw with us. We screw with them. They hate us. We hate them. I am simply pointing out that we have a, "don't do what we do, do what we tell you to do," big stick approach.

    If somebody has to be whacking somebody with a big stick, I'm glad we have the stick. But let's not pretend that it's acceptable for us to do one thing and unacceptable for another to do the same.

    That would be rather arrogant and bully-ish.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    And yet we dont.

    Heres an example of Iran's latest propaganda, the Naval portion comes after the bombing of cities and civilian airports, at around 7 minutes in. Watch the video, get an idea of how these people think.



    Iranian TV airs simulated bombing of Tel Aviv, US aircraft carrier | The Times of Israel
    I watched that video last night.

    And the libs can't figure out why conservatives are so concerned with Iran while the left believes in appeasing Iran.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I hear ya, but......

    The U.S. has had battle groups, in the Persian Gulf, with warship guns pointed at Iran, for at least 30 years that I know of. I've stood watch on those ships. And we have some kind of moral high ground to get all worked up about when Iran send two of their ducky boats on our side of the hemisphere? The same with weaponry. American weapons have been killing people all around the world. Remember, it's the shooter, not the gun. Unless, of course, you support more gun control.

    I'm with you. Don't get me wrong. I'd just as soon turn the whole region in to a glass parking lot. But let's not pretend that the U.S. isn't a hundred times worse when it comes to dealing death and encroachment of sovereign spaces.
    Batlle groups in the Persian Gulf, eh?

    Iran hostage crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    It could be done but it wouldn't be cheap. You would have to shorten the chamber like the way the U.S. Navy did during the 60's when they converted many M-1 Garands from 30-06 to 7.62 NATO (Winchester .308) < I wonder what ever happened to all of those Navy M-1 Garands that were rechamberd for the .308 ? >

    All the Winchester .308 is, a 30-06 in which the shell is 1/2" shorter than the 30-06 shell.

    The Winchester .308 is my favorite rifle cartridge. But when I had the money and had to decide on an all around hunting rifle, I wanted a rifle with a Mauser action and chambered for the .308. I wanted the best or close to the best. The Winchester Pre-64 Mod. 70 was my pick. I heard of a gun shop in Van Nuys (back when there were still gun shops in L.A.) The Pony Express and heard they had a collection of Pre-64 Winchester Mod 70's.

    Went to the Pony Express gun shop with a wad of greenbacks. I learned that the Pre-64 Mod. 70's were only chambered for the full size rifle cartridges, 30-06, Winch. .270 and 7 MM Mag.

    So I settled for the Winch .270 because it has just a little less recoil than the 30-06.

    There are still a lot of surplus 303 Enfields out there.

    The 303 just like the 30-06 and 8 MM Mauser all kick like a Missouri mule. The .308 only kicks like wild desert burro

    The Winchester .308 is almost as accurate as a 30-06.
    I love the model 70, im sure there are short actions being made these days. The .303 is a bit shorter than the 06, so probably easier to convert (though short rounds through a long action works well enough. Probably more difficult was the conversion from a rimmed case. The .308 is more accurate than the 06, owed mostly to its shorter case allowing a more uniform powder burn-I hear when target shooter made the switch from the garand to the m1a/m14 that groups immediately went down, dont know if thats true or not. But its my favorite round as well (tied with the .260 rem, which is just the .308 necked down to 6.5mm, allowing similar ballistics to the .300 win mag with less recoil than even a .308). They got quite a workout in Asia in the 60's, from what ive read.
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