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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

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    Does anyone else think this is not a great idea? Sort of like waving red meat in front of a pit-bull.
    I think it is an achievement that they even made it with their ships all the way there.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    This thread has made me laugh! The hysteria of some folks about Iran venturing out into international waters with two pathetic boats really did give me a good chuckle! I've seen decommissioned warships in Long Beach more fearsome than the photo of what looks like a long, skinny fishing boat with a canon. Clearly, my maritime expertise is nearly non-existent, but please... "What if they attack us????"

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Must be you skipped right over my elaboration. Here it is:



    How do you figure, exactly, that the opposition leadership was the least bit interested in our assistance? Even if they were, it would've destroyed their credibility.
    What dont you understand here? Its well documented that many of these protesters asked for US assistance, the "leadership" consisted of different groups and individuals, it wasn't a monolithic group. And in any case, DESTROYED THEIR CREDIBILITY TO WHOM? The repressive regime?

    Stop making excuses, its pathetic. Do you ever get tired of defending the president?

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    This thread has made me laugh! The hysteria of some folks about Iran venturing out into international waters with two pathetic boats really did give me a good chuckle! I've seen decommissioned warships in Long Beach more fearsome than the photo of what looks like a long, skinny fishing boat with a canon. Clearly, my maritime expertise is nearly non-existent, but please... "What if they attack us????"

    Who said this?

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
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    Does anyone else think this is not a great idea? Sort of like waving red meat in front of a pit-bull.
    if their just cruising around in international waters for some attention its no bigy

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    This thread has made me laugh! The hysteria of some folks about Iran venturing out into international waters with two pathetic boats really did give me a good chuckle! I've seen decommissioned warships in Long Beach more fearsome than the photo of what looks like a long, skinny fishing boat with a canon. Clearly, my maritime expertise is nearly non-existent, but please... "What if they attack us????"
    The most plausible scenario I've heard is that if Iran did try to attack they would use an EMP burst to disable the grid, then try to land ground troops. That would be an absolutely stupid plan, if they land in the south they won't make it past us without massive casualties, a lot of patriots that track game with way more advantages than a human, if they attack the east or west there are tons of military bases and mobilization wouldn't be a problem. Either way they would need an entire new military if they tried it.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    A new surface-to-surface missile, named the Nour, was test fired from the Jamaran destroyer in March 2010.
    Launched in the waters of the Persian Gulf, the test was successful with the missile having hit its target from a distance of 100km. Iran is also planning to build an upgraded missile with a 300km range.
    Jamaran / Mowj Class Multi-Purpose Guided Missile Frigate - Naval Technology

    it is a warship, it has to be tracked - coming around the Cape of Good Hope, and not thru the Mediterranean to avoid the choke points, and the US 6th fleet Mediterranean.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    What dont you understand here? Its well documented that many of these protesters asked for US assistance, the "leadership" consisted of different groups and individuals, it wasn't a monolithic group.
    Oh, well, since you responded to my rather specific post with a wonderfully vague and non-specific response, of course you must be right. The Iranian Green Movement was led in large part by Mousavi, who had challenged Ahmadinejad in the election and who believed that the landslide result in favor of Ahmadinejad was fraudulent. Mousavi was one of several principal players in the 2009 protests that traced his roots back to the Revolution.

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    And in any case, DESTROYED THEIR CREDIBILITY TO WHOM? The repressive regime?
    To the opposition in part and to Iran in general. It would've been like an accusation of national election fraud and widespread GOP demonstrations in 2012 resulting in Vladamir Putin sending Russian troops or even supplies in to support the GOP.

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Stop making excuses, its pathetic. Do you ever get tired of defending the president?
    I'm not making excuses for anyone, I'm pointing out how the situation was far more complex than many seem to think it was. While the United States likes the idea of proper democratic reforms in Iran, and while the Iranian Green Movement liked the idea of proper democratic reforms in Iran, this did not make the Iranian Green Movement a friend to the United States and it did not mean that our help would've either been welcome or, well, helpful.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    The most plausible scenario I've heard is that if Iran did try to attack they would use an EMP burst to disable the grid, then try to land ground troops. That would be an absolutely stupid plan, if they land in the south they won't make it past us without massive casualties, a lot of patriots that track game with way more advantages than a human, if they attack the east or west there are tons of military bases and mobilization wouldn't be a problem. Either way they would need an entire new military if they tried it.
    Mornin' LMR. I would hope people really don't think Iran is making any other move than a game of brinksmanship. They know Congress still wants to impose sanctions. But Iran also knows those Europeans have those billions invested into their country. Its another reason why the play like they do.

    Iran also knows there is nothing we can do to them if they are international waters.....to do so would create an incident where if they do nothing wrong and are attacked by us, it would be an act of War. Unprovoked.

    Yes they figure our President is weak and so to any other leaders.....which is also why they are sending these ships.

    Does any think for one moment if none of the sanctions were removed, and they didn't get that money open up to them. That they would have sent a couple ships around to scope our coast with a training exercise?

    Also since they are with the BRIC Nation.....I don't think they will have any trouble finding a port to pull into while in the western hemisphere.

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