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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
    How do you prove we mean business without getting hostile? Bottom line is that preventing refueling on the high seas would be in itself an act of war.

    No, let them come close and as soon as they cross the line or move near one of our ships---- we sink them. But again, this administration WILL DO NOTHING. This administration would not even admit that the attacks in Benghazi were terrorists attacks.
    That's a bit extreme. You work with allies and leverage partners to not allow access to ports diplomatically. Iran doesn't have the naval infrastructure to be at sea without replenishment for an extended period of time. Cut off their supplies in a non-violent way, and they will quickly realize, as I'm sure they already do, that they are fish out of water. It's not an act of war to deny ships to pull into your port, supply or war oriented, unless they are in extreme danger.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I completely agree that by befriending the right people, especially the upcoming leadership, we ingratiate ourselves properly. Instead we use the CIA to create wars between Iraq and Iran, to keep them neutralized. Certain groups start brainwashing their kids at early ages with their sectarian nonsense. And our soldiers over there calling them Hajji's doesn't help.
    They dont need the US to hate each other over there. Even within Islamist groups theres more than enough hate, violence, and fear to go around, in fact it makes the hate for the west almost seem quaint.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    We had our chump in chief sit by while they were put under (how many of them are still alive, I wonder?)

    I cant seem to find the footage now, but theres a video of an Iranian pro-democracy protester begging and screaming at a US newscaster about needing assistance and begging for help from the USA.

    And it was crickets from the chump in chief.
    Yeah, and it was sickening to watch. So much could have been solved by just giving them the push needed to depose those sick bastards in charge.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    They dont need the US to hate each other over there. Even within Islamist groups theres more than enough hate, violence, and fear to go around, in fact it makes the hate for the west almost seem quaint.
    True enough but that doesn't stop the intelligence agencies and military from playing geopolitical games. All countries are going to do what they believe is in their best interests, in the global chess game.
    Einstein, "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Every nation looks out for its own best interests. There are no angels over there.
    Absolutely, but I would rather have a somewhat sane leadership in a country that size.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    That's a bit extreme. You work with allies and leverage partners to not allow access to ports diplomatically. Iran doesn't have the naval infrastructure to be at sea without replenishment for an extended period of time. Cut off their supplies in a non-violent way, and they will quickly realize, as I'm sure they already do, that they are fish out of water. It's not an act of war to deny ships to pull into your port, supply or war oriented, unless they are in extreme danger.
    Well, I'm sure even the Iranians are intelligent enough to have arranged for refueling and support without needing to rely on shopping for "gas stations" at just any old port along the way. That is not how a naval operation works. Even a navy as rudimentary as Iran's could be refueled and resupplied by any number of the hundreds of ocean going merchant vessels that sail under the Iranian flag.

    But as to working with our allies; it's some of those allies who are the ones chomping at the bit to normalize economic relations with Iran. The Obama administration has not pushed hard enough to prevent that in my opinion.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
    Well, I'm sure even the Iranians are intelligent enough to have arranged for refueling and support without needing to rely on shopping for "gas stations" at just any old port along the way. That is not how a naval operation works. Even a navy as rudimentary as Iran's could be refueled and resupplied by any number of the hundreds of ocean going merchant vessels that sail under the Iranian flag.

    But as to working with our allies; it's some of those allies who are the ones chomping at the bit to normalize economic relations with Iran. The Obama administration has not pushed hard enough to prevent that in my opinion.
    I would agree with your second point. As for the first, it's not quite as easy as you suggest.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    True enough but that doesn't stop the intelligence agencies and military from playing geopolitical games. All countries are going to do what they believe is in their best interests, in the global chess game.
    Thats my point-EVERY nation plays these geopolitical games.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Yeah, and it was sickening to watch. So much could have been solved by just giving them the push needed to depose those sick bastards in charge.
    Or at least speaking out as the supposed leader of the free world-that this type of behavior was unacceptable.

    Its amazing to hear the excuses (even in this thread) made for Obama. And lets not forget his actions in Libya, Egypt, and Syria either.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Yes because they did so well afterwords.
    Must be you skipped right over my elaboration. Here it is:

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Both of the recognized leaders of the Iranian Green Movement were leaders of the Office for Strengthening Unity (as was Ahmadinejad), which played a central role in the takeover of our embassy in Tehran. As such, the opposition was pro-democracy but was most definitely not pro-west, so there really was no good option -- sit back and hope for the best, involve ourselves and get caught, involve ourselves and make a change that can't be publicly acknowledged and doesn't result in a substantial change in Iran's foreign policy.
    How do you figure, exactly, that the opposition leadership was the least bit interested in our assistance? Even if they were, it would've destroyed their credibility.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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