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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I'm not sure myself. If they lost, you bet, if the push was enough to evacuate Tehran, well a lot of the issues in the middle east would possibly evaporate. It would have been a gamble either way, I do concede that.
    Both of the recognized leaders of the Iranian Green Movement were leaders of the Office for Strengthening Unity (as was Ahmadinejad), which played a central role in the takeover of our embassy in Tehran. As such, the opposition was pro-democracy but was most definitely not pro-west, so there really was no good option -- sit back and hope for the best, involve ourselves and get caught, involve ourselves and make a change that can't be publicly acknowledged and doesn't result in a substantial change in Iran's foreign policy.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I think the biggest mistake in foreign diplomacy has been the U.S. installing "friendlies" to our own interests, it backfires when it goes against the people of a country. If anything we should be backing popular revolts if they have been vetted, no backing Al Quaida movements, a Taliban, Shah, etc. but actually finding out if the move has long term gains as far as regional stability.
    That's a nice idea, but vetted how? I'm pretty sure we lack the human intelligence assets in that part of the world to vet so much as a sandwich.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Both of the recognized leaders of the Iranian Green Movement were leaders of the Office for Strengthening Unity (as was Ahmadinejad), which played a central role in the takeover of our embassy in Tehran. As such, the opposition was pro-democracy but was most definitely not pro-west, so there really was no good option -- sit back and hope for the best, involve ourselves and get caught, involve ourselves and make a change that can't be publicly acknowledged and doesn't result in a substantial change in Iran's foreign policy.
    There definitely wasn't a good option, on that we agree. I can make one argument for even a democracy that isn't pro west and that is that they would have a better chance of diplomacy rather than trying to militarize against the west and the middle east, I think that popular vote would be against supporting policies that would be destructive to the country, such as pissing off superpowers, or highly militarized neighbors.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    That's a nice idea, but vetted how? I'm pretty sure we lack the human intelligence assets in that part of the world to vet so much as a sandwich.
    That is the million dollar question. It's possible, but the first step would be finding friendlies in the area, the second would be establishing trust, and the third would be acting on that information. Hey, I never said it would be easy.
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    Re: Iran says warships headed close to us borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No, weak leadership would be lashing out at every little bit of bull**** like this puny Iranian boat. You would have us acting like that asshole in the bar who is so insecure that he absolutely must make sure everyone in the building knows hes tough, damnit!

    You people would have our country acting like pathetic children. MOM! Jimmy is on MY side of the car! WAAAAAAHH!

    Seriously, why do you give a **** about this boat? Are you scared? Because I'm not. Why should our country have any reaction to something so trivial? We have better things to do. Let pissants respond to pissants. We're America. We can squish them like insects if we want to. We know it, they know it. But we don't squish them, because it's not worth the effort to do so.

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    Yeah weak leadership is funny like that.....one minute someone is saying hey we gonna put sanctions on you and this time we really really mean it. Then see their country is about to implode and that our friends who have billions invested in their country and need that money to help with their economies.....we then say okay you have suffered enough. We will easy off the sanctions.....but this time you will have to show us proof you aren't making any Bombs now. Give us a few more agreements and ta-da here ya go.....here is some of ya money back.

    Open the funds drawer.....first thing the Iranians do is take out some money to send a couple of ships for some training halfway across the world, while coping a scenic tour of the US. Make sure things look like they do on TV and all.

    But its all good like.....since they have assured us they don't really want to have any problems with us.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    You're never going to sell democracy over there, they don't want it. Some form of global capitalism would've been possible at one time, but now they associate it with western influence and corruption. They don't want us forcing our culture and customs on them, watering down their own heritage.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    You're never going to sell democracy over there, they don't want it. Some form of global capitalism would've been possible at one time, but now they associate it with western influence and corruption. They don't want us forcing our culture and customs on them, watering down their own heritage.
    They had a democracy before we screwed it up for them, and the Iranian Green Movement wanted to return to that democracy.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    They had a democracy before we screwed it up for them, and the Iranian Green Movement wanted to return to that democracy.
    Yeah, they had a form of governance they were comfortable with back in the 40's. No country can isolate themselves indefinitely from global influence if they want any other resources, Russia proved that one. Especially if they have valuable commodities, like oil. By hook or crook we were going to get involved with that area.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Yeah, they had a form of governance they were comfortable with back in the 40's. No country can isolate themselves indefinitely from global influence if they want any other resources, Russia proved that one. Especially if they have valuable commodities, like oil. By hook or crook we were going to get involved with that area.
    All I'm saying is that your position on what won't "sell" in Iran is contradicted by Iran's history.
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