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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Sailing your navy in international waters isn't shaking your fist in anyone's face. Or do you think that's what it is when the US navy does that?
    Yes, when the US Navy shows up within 20 miles of your shoreline with nuclear subs that can launch a hell-storm of firepower, it's definitely fist shaking. Or maybe the bird finger with our tongue stuck out.

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Quds Force and Takavar (Iranian Special Forces) are considered some of the best in the world. They aren't pushovers. Israel, US and UK Government can tell you that as they've seen them fight first hand in places like Bosnia (when US and Iran had the same objective), Lebanon, and Iraq. Hell, a lot of the Iraqi leadership we relied on during Iraq War were protected and kept alive by Quds during the 1990s.
    The Israeli's have a pretty good Spec Ops and they'd get their assholes shotup in a firefight with our Delta Force.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    These dumb idiots must think that if is only fair to do something as meaningless as this. If the US can hold navy maneuvers in the Persian Gulf the Iranians must feel it is fair to sail close to US waters as a "retaliation". Silly and pathetic but then again, we are talking about the Iranian government.
    I don't know if they're being delusional again or playing decoy the duck. Watch one hand, while we slip the other up your old ladies skirt.
    Those jerkwads who shot up the power grid in CA, could've been Iranian backed.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Perhaps its a stunt while "disarmament" talks (stall tactics while they finish up their nukes) goes down.
    Yeah, I thought of that too. It's hard to know with countries like Iran and N. Korea what exactly in the hell their end game is.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Quds Force and Takavar (Iranian Special Forces) are considered some of the best in the world. They aren't pushovers. Israel, US and UK Government can tell you that as they've seen them fight first hand in places like Bosnia (when US and Iran had the same objective), Lebanon, and Iraq. Hell, a lot of the Iraqi leadership we relied on during Iraq War were protected and kept alive by Quds during the 1990s.


    Heya AC .....while that may be true. None has ever seen a US or Americans fight without any moral constraint. Or decide to get rid of a problem permanently where it can never create any other chaos ever again. Nor just take their countries land like taking candy from a baby, where there is not much they can do about it.....except snivel whine and cry or become part of the annuals of history.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    It's been postured that if Iran tries something it would be an air detonated nuke to basically hit the grids with an EMP burst and disable the grid. That is why I take a couple of ships seriously, ultimately I think the U.S. population would send their entire military to Allah for judgement, but there would still be a lot of work done to fix the chaotic mess something like that would create.
    Hey, look what some those ****s did in NYC. I just don't think they'd do something like that, unless provoked right now. Their rulers would be pushed out pretty quick if we rained a world of hurt on them, because of rash actions. Now if they know something we don't about an impending Israeli strike on their nuke facilities, it may be a plan. Right now it simply appears like an impotent weenie waving.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Hey, look what some those ****s did in NYC. I just don't think they'd do something like that, unless provoked right now. Their rulers would be pushed out pretty quick if we rained a world of hurt on them, because of rash actions. Now if they know something we don't about an impending Israeli strike on their nuke facilities it may be a plan. Right now it simply appears like an impotent weenie waving.
    Yeah, on the surface I would hope the mullahs are smart enough not to get into an international pissing contest. I wish we had backed the Iranian protesters when we had the chance, I've known people who immigrated from there and the leadership is not popular, but they do have the benefit of force monopoly right now and with a bit of help they could have been deposed. With them at the helm it's a guessing game right now.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Yeah, on the surface I would hope the mullahs are smart enough not to get into an international pissing contest. I wish we had backed the Iranian protesters when we had the chance, I've known people who immigrated from there and the leadership is not popular, but they do have the benefit of force monopoly right now and with a bit of help they could have been deposed. With them at the helm it's a guessing game right now.
    If we'd visibly backed the opposition, it would've hurt them rather than helped them.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    If we'd visibly backed the opposition, it would've hurt them rather than helped them.
    I'm not sure myself. If they lost, you bet, if the push was enough to evacuate Tehran, well a lot of the issues in the middle east would possibly evaporate. It would have been a gamble either way, I do concede that.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Yeah, on the surface I would hope the mullahs are smart enough not to get into an international pissing contest. I wish we had backed the Iranian protesters when we had the chance, I've known people who immigrated from there and the leadership is not popular, but they do have the benefit of force monopoly right now and with a bit of help they could have been deposed. With them at the helm it's a guessing game right now.

    We installed the Shah and let him run all over people, then they got a stink in their mouth about it. It was the opposite of taking Saddam out, whom we should've let stay and keep those fanatics inline. After seeing the Greenzone, which was fictional, it still enlightened people about how some dorky bureaucrats, playing big daddy idealist, screwed up. They tore that place apart and let every banana within 1000miles come in and fight.

    See, what you do is get the IOC to promise them the Olympics for one of their cities 20 years from now, so they'll kiss your tushy.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    We installed the Shah and let him run all over people, then they got a stink in their mouth about it. It was the opposite of taking Saddam out, whom we should've let stay and keep those fanatics inline. After seeing the Greenzone, which was fictional, it still enlightened people about how some dorky bureaucrats, playing big daddy idealist, screwed up. They tore that place apart and let every banana within 1000miles come in and fight.

    See, what you do is get the IOC to promise them the Olympics for one of their cities 20 years from now, so they'll kiss your tushy.
    I think the biggest mistake in foreign diplomacy has been the U.S. installing "friendlies" to our own interests, it backfires when it goes against the people of a country. If anything we should be backing popular revolts if they have been vetted, no backing Al Quaida movements, a Taliban, Shah, etc. but actually finding out if the move has long term gains as far as regional stability.
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    Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I think the biggest mistake in foreign diplomacy has been the U.S. installing "friendlies" to our own interests, it backfires when it goes against the people of a country. If anything we should be backing popular revolts if they have been vetted, no backing Al Quaida movements, a Taliban, Shah, etc. but actually finding out if the move has long term gains as far as regional stability.
    I completely agree that by befriending the right people, especially the upcoming leadership, we ingratiate ourselves properly. Instead we use the CIA to create wars between Iraq and Iran, to keep them neutralized. Certain groups start brainwashing their kids at early ages with their sectarian nonsense. And our soldiers over there calling them Hajji's doesn't help.
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