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    Re: Intercepted Phone Call Shows U.S. Role in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Why not?
    Because there is plainly no interference in Ukrainian affairs. Just normal discussion between a senior Washington official and the US Ambassador, whose job it is to be in touch with all sides in host country politics.
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    Re: Intercepted Phone Call Shows U.S. Role in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Because there is plainly no interference in Ukrainian affairs. Just normal discussion between a senior Washington official and the US Ambassador, whose job it is to be in touch with all sides in host country politics.
    That conversation does not prove there is no interference.

    If anything, it suggests that there is:

    'The voice allegedly of Nuland adds that [Ukrainian opposition leader Vitali] Klitschko should not be given a role in government.

    “I don’t think it’s necessary, I don’t think it’s a good idea,” she says.

    “Yeah… I guess… in terms of him not going into the government, just let him sort of stay out and do his political homework and stuff,” Pyatt says.
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    Before the call ends, Nuland tells Pyatt she has “one more wrinkle” for him.

    Commenting on European pressure put on Yanukovych – or lack thereof – she explains that she has spoken to the United Nations and has gotten an official there who said that Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretary general, agreed to send someone to Ukraine to “help glue this thing and to have the UN glue it.”

    She adds: “And you know, **** the EU.”

    “Exactly,” Pyatt replies. “And I think we got to do something to make it stick together, because you can be sure that if it does start to gain altitude the Russians will be working behind the scenes to torpedo it. Let me work on Klitschko, and I think we should get a Western personality to come out here (to Ukraine) and midwife this thing,’’ he adds.'


    Those two highlighted parts denote direct/indirect influence/action...not non-interference.


    So when someone says 'And I think we got to do something to make it stick together,'; that indicates to you that this person intends 'no interference'?

    Yes or no, please?

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    Re: Intercepted Phone Call Shows U.S. Role in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    That conversation does not prove there is no interference.

    If anything, it suggests that there is:

    'The voice allegedly of Nuland adds that [Ukrainian opposition leader Vitali] Klitschko should not be given a role in government.

    “I don’t think it’s necessary, I don’t think it’s a good idea,” she says.

    “Yeah… I guess… in terms of him not going into the government, just let him sort of stay out and do his political homework and stuff,” Pyatt says.
    ...
    Before the call ends, Nuland tells Pyatt she has “one more wrinkle” for him.

    Commenting on European pressure put on Yanukovych – or lack thereof – she explains that she has spoken to the United Nations and has gotten an official there who said that Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretary general, agreed to send someone to Ukraine to “help glue this thing and to have the UN glue it.”

    She adds: “And you know, **** the EU.”

    “Exactly,” Pyatt replies. “And I think we got to do something to make it stick together, because you can be sure that if it does start to gain altitude the Russians will be working behind the scenes to torpedo it. Let me work on Klitschko, and I think we should get a Western personality to come out here (to Ukraine) and midwife this thing,’’ he adds.'


    Those two highlighted parts denote direct/indirect influence/action...not non-interference.


    So when someone says 'And I think we got to do something to make it stick together,'; that indicates to you that this person intends 'no interference'?

    Yes or no, please?
    No. It's just normal diplomatic maneuvering. Perfectly in bounds.
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    Re: Intercepted Phone Call Shows U.S. Role in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    No. It's just normal diplomatic maneuvering. Perfectly in bounds.
    So, when someone says 'And I think we got to do something to make it stick together' - that indicates the person intends ZERO interference..in no way, shape or form?

    Noted.

    Good day.

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    Re: Intercepted Phone Call Shows U.S. Role in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    So, when someone says 'And I think we got to do something to make it stick together' - that indicates the person intends ZERO interference..in no way, shape or form?

    Noted.

    Good day.
    that was a reference to diplomatic activity via the UN. It's what diplomats do.
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    Re: Intercepted Phone Call Shows U.S. Role in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    that was a reference to diplomatic activity via the UN. It's what diplomats do.
    No, that was after the reference to the U.N...you cannot be sure what they are speaking of.

    Also this:

    ' Let me work on Klitschko, and I think we should get a Western personality to come out here (to Ukraine) and midwife this thing,’’ he adds.'

    He did not say 'let me get the U.N. to work on...'' He said, 'let ME work on...'.


    And you think someone saying 'let me work on Kitschko' is an example of 'no interference'?

    I give up.

    I am not saying to what level America is butting in.

    But to say there is 'no interference' is ridiculously naive, imo.

    But go ahead, ignorance is bliss.

    Good day.

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    Re: Intercepted Phone Call Shows U.S. Role in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    No, that was after the reference to the U.N...you cannot be sure what they are speaking of.

    Also this:

    ' Let me work on Klitschko, and I think we should get a Western personality to come out here (to Ukraine) and midwife this thing,’’ he adds.'

    He did not say 'let me get the U.N. to work on...'' He said, 'let ME work on...'.


    And you think someone saying 'let me work on Kitschko' is an example of 'no interference'?

    I give up.

    I am not saying to what level America is butting in.

    But to say there is 'no interference' is ridiculously naive, imo.

    But go ahead, ignorance is bliss.

    Good day.
    It would be the Ambassador's job to "work on" Klitschko and anybody else who matters. That's why the US (and everybody else) has an Ambassador.
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    Re: Intercepted Phone Call Shows U.S. Role in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Because there is plainly no interference in Ukrainian affairs. Just normal discussion between a senior Washington official and the US Ambassador, whose job it is to be in touch with all sides in host country politics.
    Horse puckey. CIA NGOs are behind the insurrection in the Ukraine. Trying to get the Ukraine under the Corporate umbrella. Put a few NATO bases next door to Russia. Business as usual.

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    Re: Intercepted Phone Call Shows U.S. Role in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Horse puckey. CIA NGOs are behind the insurrection in the Ukraine. Trying to get the Ukraine under the Corporate umbrella. Put a few NATO bases next door to Russia. Business as usual.
    Tin foil hat nonsense.
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    Re: Intercepted Phone Call Shows U.S. Role in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    It would be the Ambassador's job to "work on" Klitschko and anybody else who matters. That's why the US (and everybody else) has an Ambassador.
    Whatever pal.

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