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    Re: Rainbow Flag Will Fly Over Montreal City Hall During Olympics

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    In my view, there are two problems with gestures like this.

    1. They turn what should be a totally apolitical enterprise - amateur athletics - into a fight and a discussion that has nothing to do with the enterprise.

    2. They focus attention on the matter and then, when the none related event ends, the focus of the attention dissipates and/or disappears.

    Personally, I hate people hijacking important events for political grandstanding - even when I agree with the purpose of the grandstanding.
    : There are many groups that are vying for attention about one thing or another. To single one out is probably discriminatory in the first place, and Russia is not going to care what we think in the second place. If someone feels that strongly about something, they should fly a flag in protest in their own front yard, and make their own personal statement!

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    Re: Rainbow Flag Will Fly Over Montreal City Hall During Olympics

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Look for the Putin haters and the ones that want to knock China down a peg or two before they get too big and begin doing what we've been doing all along.

    It's hilarious how you are trying to dismiss legitimate interests here as some US plot

    #murica is evil

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    Re: Rainbow Flag Will Fly Over Montreal City Hall During Olympics

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    never seen that before, bizzare. Why did they have the kids do that?
    That was the Bellamy salute, which was the standard way to salute the flag until the Nazis started using that salute for other purposes.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Rainbow Flag Will Fly Over Montreal City Hall During Olympics

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because no one perceived the Nazis as bad guys in 1940. The Progressives of the period worshipped the mother****ers...
    Wrong again!
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    Re: Rainbow Flag Will Fly Over Montreal City Hall During Olympics

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    It's called the Bellamy salute. Hitler stole it from America. Or maybe the Bellamy/Nazi salutes are a socialist thing ?

    Bellamy was an American progressive/socialist. He wrote the American Pledge of Allegiance and came up with the Bellamy salute that every American in school would recite while doing the Bellamy salute every morning.

    They dropped the salute in December of 1941 for some reason.

    You have to remember, most Marxist, socialist , progressives and many of the labor unions in America were supporters of Hitler. Until 1941 when Hitler attacked the Soviet Union. Hitler was no longer considered to be a fellow comrade. He became the enemy. The Nationalist Socialist (Nazis) was no longer considered to be a form of socialism but would all of a sudden become right wing. It's called revisionism to hide who Hitler's supporters were before 1941.
    You've claimed this before, and I already pointed out once to you how that is a total lie. Yet you continue to spread it.

    What do you call someone who knowingly propagates a known falsehood?
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Rainbow Flag Will Fly Over Montreal City Hall During Olympics

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Wrong again!
    >" Everybody now knows how evil Nazi eugenics were: How all sorts of people were exterminated not because of anything they had done but simply because of the way they had been born. And we have all heard how disastrous were the Nazi efforts to build up the "master race" through selective breeding of SS men with the best of German women -- the "Lebensborn" project. Good leftists today recoil in horror from all that of course and use their "Hitler was a conservative" mantra to load those evils onto conservatives. But Hitler was a socialist. As he himself said:


    "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." (Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)
    So it should come as no surprise that Hitler's eugenics were an intergral part of his socialism and that the great supporters of compulsory eugenics worldwide in Hitler's day were overwhelmingly of the Left. Left-influenced historians commonly blur the distinction between a belief in eugenic or dysgenic processes and actually advocating a state-enforced eugenics program but we can find the facts if we look carefully. And it was American Leftists upon whom Hitler principally drew for his "inspiration" in the eugenics field.

    In the USA, the great eugenicists of the first half of the 20th century were the "Progressives". As it says here:


    A significant number of Progressives -- including David Starr Jordan, Robert Latham Owen, William Allen Wilson, Harry Emerson Fosdick, Robert Latou Dickinson, Katherine Bement Davis, and Virginia Gildersleeve--were deeply involved with the eugenics movement.
    And as we read further here: -> FrontPage Magazine - Eugenics and the Left "<

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    Re: Rainbow Flag Will Fly Over Montreal City Hall During Olympics

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    >" Everybody now knows how evil Nazi eugenics were: How all sorts of people were exterminated not because of anything they had done but simply because of the way they had been born. And we have all heard how disastrous were the Nazi efforts to build up the "master race" through selective breeding of SS men with the best of German women -- the "Lebensborn" project. Good leftists today recoil in horror from all that of course and use their "Hitler was a conservative" mantra to load those evils onto conservatives. But Hitler was a socialist. As he himself said:


    "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." (Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)
    So it should come as no surprise that Hitler's eugenics were an intergral part of his socialism and that the great supporters of compulsory eugenics worldwide in Hitler's day were overwhelmingly of the Left. Left-influenced historians commonly blur the distinction between a belief in eugenic or dysgenic processes and actually advocating a state-enforced eugenics program but we can find the facts if we look carefully. And it was American Leftists upon whom Hitler principally drew for his "inspiration" in the eugenics field.

    In the USA, the great eugenicists of the first half of the 20th century were the "Progressives". As it says here:


    A significant number of Progressives -- including David Starr Jordan, Robert Latham Owen, William Allen Wilson, Harry Emerson Fosdick, Robert Latou Dickinson, Katherine Bement Davis, and Virginia Gildersleeve--were deeply involved with the eugenics movement.
    And as we read further here: -> FrontPage Magazine - Eugenics and the Left "<
    Yay, more regurgitated tripe.
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    Re: Rainbow Flag Will Fly Over Montreal City Hall During Olympics

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    You've claimed this before, and I already pointed out once to you how that is a total lie. Yet you continue to spread it.

    What do you call someone who knowingly propagates a known falsehood?
    I won't use Wikipedia as a reliable source even though it looks like they may have gotten it right.

    >" The Bellamy salute is the salute described by Francis Bellamy to accompany the American Pledge of Allegiance, which he had authored. During the period when it was used with the Pledge of Allegiance, it was sometimes known as the "flag salute". During the 1920s and 1930s, Italian fascists and Nazis adopted a salute which had the same form, resulting in controversy over the use of the Bellamy salute in the United States. It was officially replaced by the hand-over-heart salute when Congress amended the Flag Code on December 22, 1942.

    The inventor of the saluting gesture was James B. Upham, junior partner and editor of The Youth's Companion.[1] Bellamy recalled Upham, upon reading the pledge, came into the posture of the salute, snapped his heels together, and said "Now up there is the flag; I come to salute; as I say 'I pledge allegiance to my flag,' I stretch out my right hand and keep it raised while I say the stirring words that follow."[1]

    The Bellamy salute was first demonstrated on October 12, 1892 according to Bellamy's published instructions for the "National School Celebration of Columbus Day":..."<
    Bellamy salute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I won't use Fox News as a source, not enough spin. How about CNN ? -> The peculiar history of the Pledge of Allegiance - CNN.com

    I don't know if this website is excepted by revisionist or not ?

    >“At a signal from the Principal, the pupils, in ordered ranks, hands to the side, face the Flag. Another signal is given; every pupil gives the Flag the military salute—right hand lifted, palm downward, to a line with the forehead and close to it. Standing thus, all repeat [the Pledge] together, slowly. At the words, ‘to my Flag,’ the right hand is extended gracefully, palm upward, towards the Flag, and remains in this gesture till the end of the affirmation; whereupon all hands immediately drop to the side.”<

    Flag salute history

    What ever you do Kobie, don't claim that there was photo-shop back in May of 1942.
    The Official Pledge of Allegiance Salute Used to be a ‘Hitler Salute’

    The bigger question is Kobi, by any chance did you grow up in Hawaii and instead of sitting in your history classroom, were you outside with a few Moks, a gay pot dealer and a tall skinny black kid drinking beer and smoking Maui Maui ?

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    Re: Rainbow Flag Will Fly Over Montreal City Hall During Olympics

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Snipped for brevity
    Is this some kind of joke? I was clearly referring to the bolded in your post (the thing about people supporting Hitler, which I debunked months ago), not the ****ing Bellamy salute (which I already addressed in an earlier post). That's why I ****ing bolded it.
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    Re: Rainbow Flag Will Fly Over Montreal City Hall During Olympics

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Is this some kind of joke? I was clearly referring to the bolded in your post (the thing about people supporting Hitler, which I debunked months ago), not the ****ing Bellamy salute (which I already addressed in an earlier post). That's why I ****ing bolded it.
    That word "bolded" is that some kind of Daily Planet slang that Clark Kent used ?

    BTW: How many credible sources do you want that shows that American progressives supported Hitler ?

    And a bigger BTW:

    Don't pull the liberal revisionism on the DP.

    This is the post you were responding to

    >"Originally Posted by APACHERAT
    It's called the Bellamy salute. Hitler stole it from America. Or maybe the Bellamy/Nazi salutes are a socialist thing ?

    Bellamy was an American progressive/socialist. He wrote the American Pledge of Allegiance and came up with the Bellamy salute that every American in school would recite while doing the Bellamy salute every morning.

    They dropped the salute in December of 1941 for some reason.

    You have to remember, most Marxist, socialist , progressives and many of the labor unions in America were supporters of Hitler. Until 1941 when Hitler attacked the Soviet Union. Hitler was no longer considered to be a fellow comrade. He became the enemy. The Nationalist Socialist (Nazis) was no longer considered to be a form of socialism but would all of a sudden become right wing. It's called revisionism to hide who Hitler's supporters were before 1941."<


    You've claimed this before, and I already pointed out once to you how that is a total lie. Yet you continue to spread it.

    What do you call someone who knowingly propagates a known falsehood?


    If you know of another reason why the Bellamy salute was dropped, let us know.

    American socialist supported Hitler until Hitler attacked their comrade, Stalin. That's the way it was back then. When everyone who lived back then is dead and buried, then rewrite history.
    Last edited by APACHERAT; 02-08-14 at 12:52 AM.

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