View Poll Results: Do you support Open Carry?

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  • I live/d in TX and I generally support OC

    11 31.43%
  • I live/d in TX and I generally oppose OC

    3 8.57%
  • I have never lived in TX and I generally support OC

    18 51.43%
  • I have never lived in TX and I generally oppose OC

    2 5.71%
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    Re: Texas gov candidate Wendy Davis supports open carry law

    The Open Carry Argument

    First One To Be Shot:
    There are some who criticize open carry and claim it will make you more of a target or ‘the first one shot’ when a robber walks into the 7-11, despite the absolute lack of credible evidence that this has ever happened.

    If the robber walks in and sees that you’re armed, his whole plan has encountered an unexpected variable. In bank robberies where he might expect to see an armed guard he will have already factored that possibility into his plan, but only for the armed guard, not for open or concealed carry citizens. No robber robs a bank without at least a rudimentary plan. Nevertheless, being present for a bank robbery is an extremely remote possibility for most of us regardless of our preferred method of handgun carry, so let’s go back in the 7-11. If the robber sees someone is armed he is forced to either significantly alter the plan or abort it outright. Robbing is an inherently apprehensive occupation, and one that doesn't respond well to instant modifications. He is not prepared to commit murder when he only planned for larceny. He knows that a petty robbery will not garner the intense police manhunt a murder would. He doesn't know if you’re an armed citizen or a police officer and isn't going to take the time to figure it out.

    Either way, if someone in the 7-11 is unexpectedly armed, how many others might be similarly adorned and where might they be? Does this unexpectedly armed individual have a partner who is likewise armed nearby, someone who is watching right now? Self preservation compels him to abort the plan for one that is less risky. So we see that the logic matches the history; open carriers are not the first ones shot because it doesn't make sense in any common street crime scenario that they would be. If your personal self protection plan emphasizes “Hollywood” style crimes over the more realistic street mugging, it might be best to stay home
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    Re: Texas gov candidate Wendy Davis supports open carry law

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The Open Carry Argument

    First One To Be Shot:
    There are some who criticize open carry and claim it will make you more of a target or ‘the first one shot’ when a robber walks into the 7-11, despite the absolute lack of credible evidence that this has ever happened.

    If the robber walks in and sees that you’re armed, his whole plan has encountered an unexpected variable. In bank robberies where he might expect to see an armed guard he will have already factored that possibility into his plan, but only for the armed guard, not for open or concealed carry citizens. No robber robs a bank without at least a rudimentary plan. Nevertheless, being present for a bank robbery is an extremely remote possibility for most of us regardless of our preferred method of handgun carry, so let’s go back in the 7-11. If the robber sees someone is armed he is forced to either significantly alter the plan or abort it outright. Robbing is an inherently apprehensive occupation, and one that doesn't respond well to instant modifications. He is not prepared to commit murder when he only planned for larceny. He knows that a petty robbery will not garner the intense police manhunt a murder would. He doesn't know if you’re an armed citizen or a police officer and isn't going to take the time to figure it out.

    Either way, if someone in the 7-11 is unexpectedly armed, how many others might be similarly adorned and where might they be? Does this unexpectedly armed individual have a partner who is likewise armed nearby, someone who is watching right now? Self preservation compels him to abort the plan for one that is less risky. So we see that the logic matches the history; open carriers are not the first ones shot because it doesn't make sense in any common street crime scenario that they would be. If your personal self protection plan emphasizes “Hollywood” style crimes over the more realistic street mugging, it might be best to stay home
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    true, when robbers see me packing this baby at the convenience store they bugger off

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    Re: Texas gov candidate Wendy Davis supports open carry law

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    true, when robbers see me packing this baby at the convenience store they bugger off

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    I knew you had to get all your hot air from some where.

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    Re: Texas gov candidate Wendy Davis supports open carry law

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    I knew you had to get all your hot air from some where.
    Hot air is merely a byproduct of those suckers. btw that is what inflicts most casualties of flamethrower victims. scorched air



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    Re: Texas gov candidate Wendy Davis supports open carry law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I personally think anyone open carrying is compensating for something, and is pretty much a dumbass, but I think it should be legal.

    Also, if I were a violent criminal intent on causing harm, it would be really convenient to know which douchebag I should shoot first.

    edit: And if it were in Florida, I could just say I felt my life was in danger and I'd be acquitted!
    "Anyone" is very general. I highly doubt that anyone who openly carries is compensating for something.

    Actually, now that I think about it....I don't consider the whole "compensating for something" line to hold any substance - I most often hear it used by persons who tend towards the "anti gun" or "more gun control" side of things, and I think it's just a somewhat hackish statement that is far too often used, mostly by persons who aren't really considering the matter all that seriously or thoughtfully.

    Kinda a throwaway statement, really.

    Then again most political arguments are filled with such things....from all sides.
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    Re: Texas gov candidate Wendy Davis supports open carry law

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    "Anyone" is very general. I highly doubt that anyone who openly carries is compensating for something.

    Actually, now that I think about it....I don't consider the whole "compensating for something" line to hold any substance - I most often hear it used by persons who tend towards the "anti gun" or "more gun control" side of things, and I think it's just a somewhat hackish statement that is far too often used, mostly by persons who aren't really considering the matter all that seriously or thoughtfully.

    Kinda a throwaway statement, really.

    Then again most political arguments are filled with such things....from all sides.
    Most gun haters are reticent about explaining what REALLY motivates their anti gun nonsense. so they come up with moronic facades to hide their true motivations



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    Re: Texas gov candidate Wendy Davis supports open carry law

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I'm not familiar with her...what's the story behind that comment?
    She married a guy who was willing to cash in his 401(k) in order to put her through law school, and on the day that he made the last payment, she left him. But she left him with the kids because she wanted a political career, and being "mom" was such a time-wasting drag, you know. He even got custody of the kids that weren't his, which virtually never happens in Texas.

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    Re: Texas gov candidate Wendy Davis supports open carry law

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    So your theory about OC making you a target for attack doesn't really stand on it's leg then.
    It makes you a target during an attack. It would not often be the motivation for the attack in the first place. That does not translate to an expectation of "mass attacks."
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Texas gov candidate Wendy Davis supports open carry law

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    She married a guy who was willing to cash in his 401(k) in order to put her through law school, and on the day that he made the last payment, she left him. But she left him with the kids because she wanted a political career, and being "mom" was such a time-wasting drag, you know. He even got custody of the kids that weren't his, which virtually never happens in Texas.
    No, that's the ridiculous smear campaign fed to you by the GOP. Her children have soundly debunked it. Congrats on buying the BS though.
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    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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