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Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled[W:121]

Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

The study is crap. Obama said pot is no worse than alcohol and he is the smartest person ever.
 
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1.) dont need anything out statements are about your link and your pdf, therefore thats all that is needed and your link and your PDF prove our statements right

these are the facts proved by your link and your PDF that we pointed out
the OP and PDF does NOT show the drivers were high at the time of the accident. FACT
the OP and PDF does NOT show the accident was cause by the driver that had weed in his system. FACT
the OP and PDF does NOT show that when the accident was cause by the driver that had weed in his system that it was because of the impairment. FACT

facts win again

do you have anything factual that impact these facts?

2.) true this is why i didnt give them

3.) already done by me and muiltiple posters, who is us? nobody agrees with the fallacies you presented.

No you can't post anything but opinion, thought so
 
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It's not opinion, it's fact. You do not possess the knowledge that marijuana was a factor in any of those wrecks. It's from your own source itself, tested positive for does not mean high at the time.

So less you have more data, links to support the data, all you have is supposition, assumption, and opinion.

and all you and the other guy have presented are your own opinions with no data to say otherwise
 
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No you can't post anything but opinion, thought so
false, facts were already posted by me and many others and theres two links that support and prove those facts to be true.
Heres the links again:

Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled « CBS Seattle
http://www.coloradodot.info/program...ving/assets/DruggedDrivingFactSheet082011.pdf

When you have somethign that goes against those facts let us know, we'd love to read them.
 
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and all you and the other guy have presented are your own opinions with no data to say otherwise

reposting this lie doesnt make it true the data has been posted, you posted it and it proves these statements to be facts

the OP and PDF does NOT show the drivers were high at the time of the accident. FACT
the OP and PDF does NOT show the accident was cause by the driver that had weed in his system. FACT
the OP and PDF does NOT show that when the accident was cause by the driver that had weed in his system that it was because of the impairment. FACT

DO you disagree that the OP link and PDF link do not support and state these facts listed above? yes or no

cant wait for your answer
 
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It is, IN FACT, his opinion - does that count?

i havent posted any opinion i posted facts, if you disagree id love for you to point out what is opinion in these statements
the OP and PDF does NOT show the drivers were high at the time of the accident. FACT
the OP and PDF does NOT show the accident was cause by the driver that had weed in his system. FACT
the OP and PDF does NOT show that when the accident was cause by the driver that had weed in his system that it was because of the impairment. FACT

which one is opinion, please point it out and then prove its opinion, id love to read it lol.
 
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and all you and the other guy have presented are your own opinions with no data to say otherwise

Because your OP is the data of our proof. The claim is that you have no real knowledge of the effects of marijuana legalization apon traffic fatality rates. The proof is that your numbers cite only positive tests for marijuana. But testing positive doesn't mean that one is currently high, and so you do not know if those who had tested positive were high at the time of the wreck and that being high was the cause of the wreck. Ergo, you lack the knowledge. You cannot demonstrate your claim and haven't done so.

Supposition, assumption, and opinion is all you've presented. That doesn't demonstrate knowledge, sorry.
 
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i havent posted any opinion i posted facts, if you disagree id love for you to point out what is opinion in these statements
the OP and PDF does NOT show the drivers were high at the time of the accident. FACT
the OP and PDF does NOT show the accident was cause by the driver that had weed in his system. FACT
the OP and PDF does NOT show that when the accident was cause by the driver that had weed in his system that it was because of the impairment. FACT

which one is opinion, please point it out and then prove its opinion, id love to read it lol.

I read the OP piece, and it seems pretty clear to me that they're not trying to fool anyone - with findings such as “If a driver is under the influence of alcohol, their risk of a fatal crash is 13 times higher than the risk of the driver who is not under the influence of alcohol,” Li said. “But if the driver is under the influence of both alcohol and marijuana, their risk increased to 24 times that of a sober person.” it's quite clear that the authors of the study are concluding that marijuana use is a contributing factor and has a causal relationship to an increased risk.

No study, that I know of, claims that a fatal accident that involves a driver with a high blood alcohol level was solely and clearly caused by the alcohol consumption. There's no way to statistically prove such. These studies, and those involving alcohol consumption only, simply conclude the incidence of drug and alcohol use and the percentages of fatal accidents that are so affected.

So it is, quite clearly, just your opinion that the drivers weren't high - that's not a matter totally determined by level of the drug in the system - you have no facts that prove they weren't high - just your opinion that the accident wasn't caused by a driver that had weed in his system - in fact, the quote above seems to prove the opposite - and just your opinion that the accident wasn't caused by the driver's impairment - the quote above seems to prove the opposite.

You can bluster all you like - doesn't change the FACT that you view the study's findings the way you choose to view them - that makes it your opinion. I'm sure drunks also feel it wasn't the alcohol that caused their crashes either.
 
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I read the OP piece, and it seems pretty clear to me that they're not trying to fool anyone - with findings such as “If a driver is under the influence of alcohol, their risk of a fatal crash is 13 times higher than the risk of the driver who is not under the influence of alcohol,” Li said. “But if the driver is under the influence of both alcohol and marijuana, their risk increased to 24 times that of a sober person.” it's quite clear that the authors of the study are concluding that marijuana use is a contributing factor and has a causal relationship to an increased risk.

No study, that I know of, claims that a fatal accident that involves a driver with a high blood alcohol level was solely and clearly caused by the alcohol consumption. There's no way to statistically prove such. These studies, and those involving alcohol consumption only, simply conclude the incidence of drug and alcohol use and the percentages of fatal accidents that are so affected.

So it is, quite clearly, just your opinion that the drivers weren't high - that's not a matter totally determined by level of the drug in the system - you have no facts that prove they weren't high - just your opinion that the accident wasn't caused by a driver that had weed in his system - in fact, the quote above seems to prove the opposite - and just your opinion that the accident wasn't caused by the driver's impairment - the quote above seems to prove the opposite.

You can bluster all you like - doesn't change the FACT that you view the study's findings the way you choose to view them - that makes it your opinion. I'm sure drunks also feel it wasn't the alcohol that caused their crashes either.

very telling that you dodged the questions

I NEVER claimed they werent high
I NEVER claimed that the driver didnt cause the accident
I NEVER claimed that their impairment if present didnt cause the accident

you just posted 3 lies and nobody is fooled

if you disagree simple quote me saying those lies, ill wait but you will fail because you made it up
posting lies wont help your failed posts

so now that facts prove your post 100% factually wrong and expose the lies you posted, i will ask you AGAIN which statement is my opinion and not fact since you dodged them and tried to make stuff up

the OP and PDF does NOT show the drivers were high at the time of the accident. FACT
the OP and PDF does NOT show the accident was cause by the driver that had weed in his system. FACT
the OP and PDF does NOT show that when the accident was cause by the driver that had weed in his system that it was because of the impairment. FACT

which one is opinion, please point it out and then prove its opinion? weird you cant do this.
 
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Because your OP is the data of our proof. The claim is that you have no real knowledge of the effects of marijuana legalization apon traffic fatality rates. The proof is that your numbers cite only positive tests for marijuana. But testing positive doesn't mean that one is currently high, and so you do not know if those who had tested positive were high at the time of the wreck and that being high was the cause of the wreck. Ergo, you lack the knowledge. You cannot demonstrate your claim and haven't done so.

Supposition, assumption, and opinion is all you've presented. That doesn't demonstrate knowledge, sorry.

This is no different from laws involving alcohol consumption. It's a fundemental misunderstanding of impairment and the conclusions reached from such a study. When similar studies are done solely involving fatal accidents and those with blood alcohol levels above zero, there is no way to tell if the driver was drunk or impaired just as there's no way to determine the level of impairment related to marijuana use. It is simply noted that when it comes to fatal accidents, someone with alcohol in their system is 13 times more likely to die or kill and someone with alcohol and marijuana in their system is 24 times more likely to die or kill.
 
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very funny you dodged the questions>

I NEVER claimed they werent high
I NEVER claimed that the driver didnt cause the accident
I NEVER claimed that their impairment if present didnt cause the accident

you just posted 3 lies and nobody is fooled
if you disagree simple qoute me saying those lies, ill wait but you will fail because you made it up
posting lies wont help you i will ask you AGAIN which statement is my opinion and not fact

so now that facts prove your post 100% factually wrong and expose the lies you posted, i will ask my questions again since you dodged them and tried to make stuff up

the OP and PDF does NOT show the drivers were high at the time of the accident. FACT
the OP and PDF does NOT show the accident was cause by the driver that had weed in his system. FACT
the OP and PDF does NOT show that when the accident was cause by the driver that had weed in his system that it was because of the impairment. FACT

which one is opinion, please point it out and then prove its opinion? weird you cant do this.

I gave you a reasoned answer. You're welcome to your own opinion on the validity of my answer - and now, you go back on ignore.
 
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This is no different from laws involving alcohol consumption. It's a fundemental misunderstanding of impairment and the conclusions reached from such a study. When similar studies are done solely involving fatal accidents and those with blood alcohol levels above zero, there is no way to tell if the driver was drunk or impaired just as there's no way to determine the level of impairment related to marijuana use. It is simply noted that when it comes to fatal accidents, someone with alcohol in their system is 13 times more likely to die or kill and someone with alcohol and marijuana in their system is 24 times more likely to die or kill.

Exactly. The truth is that it's purposeful deciete meant to artificially inflate numbers, cause people to react emotionally, and justify power grabs by the government. I'm not going to trust the arguments of a propagandist who can't be honest with his numbers.
 
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Same thing happens with alcohol. What's your point, exactly? I had a cop once tell me that he pulled over a driver for a busted tail light to find that he was blew a .2 (aka, he should be dead). The only way he could tell he was drunk was the smell. I'm not entirely sure what your point is because we still ticket hardcore drunks for driving over the limit when they may not technically be impaired.

Pot is detectable LONG after it could possibly be impairing.

States.are determining "levels" for impairment now. Once theyre ironed out, then it will be possible to determine whether thc IMPAIRMENT is an element.

This study looks you right in the eye and says "pot smoked a month ago contributed to additional fatalities". Which isn't true.

Lots of folks stand to lose lots of money when pot is legalized. Bureaucracies will lose power.

So they lie. SOP.
 
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1.)I gave you a reasoned answer.
2.) You're welcome to your own opinion on the validity of my answer
3.) and now, you go back on ignore.

1.) no you posted 3 lies that were factually proven wrong, the questions were NEVER answered because they also factually prove your post wrong
2.) no opinion was given, its a fact you posted 3 lies and didnt answer the question
3.) translation: facts defeated your failed post and theres no logical, honest and or factual path for you to take to back up your false claims so you post a deflection.
facts win again and I accept your concession.

Please remains civil and simply point out and woute me saying the lies you claimed and answer the 3 questions.
 
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I read the OP piece, and it seems pretty clear to me that they're not trying to fool anyone - with findings such as “If a driver is under the influence of alcohol, their risk of a fatal crash is 13 times higher than the risk of the driver who is not under the influence of alcohol,” Li said. “But if the driver is under the influence of both alcohol and marijuana, their risk increased to 24 times that of a sober person.” it's quite clear that the authors of the study are concluding that marijuana use is a contributing factor and has a causal relationship to an increased risk.

No study, that I know of, claims that a fatal accident that involves a driver with a high blood alcohol level was solely and clearly caused by the alcohol consumption. There's no way to statistically prove such. These studies, and those involving alcohol consumption only, simply conclude the incidence of drug and alcohol use and the percentages of fatal accidents that are so affected.

So it is, quite clearly, just your opinion that the drivers weren't high - that's not a matter totally determined by level of the drug in the system - you have no facts that prove they weren't high - just your opinion that the accident wasn't caused by a driver that had weed in his system - in fact, the quote above seems to prove the opposite - and just your opinion that the accident wasn't caused by the driver's impairment - the quote above seems to prove the opposite.

You can bluster all you like - doesn't change the FACT that you view the study's findings the way you choose to view them - that makes it your opinion. I'm sure drunks also feel it wasn't the alcohol that caused their crashes either.

Actually, it could just be that alchohol increases risk 37 times and Thc is irrelevant.

This angle isn't new.they've been conflating presence with impairment for years and years.

We need to wait until "levels" are established. THEN studies will be accurate and relevant.

Now, its the same thing as saying someone saw you drunk at a bar last week so your accident must be alcohol related.

Broken causal link.
 
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no we are not, now we are talking about speculation

the speculation started in the OP. There is a difference between having weed in your system and being high. You dont seem to comprehend that.
 
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When I was younger, smoking pot actually made me a safer, sometimes a bit slower than needed driver. Every single person I knew that smoked pot was the same way. There are ways to tell if someone is under the influence of pot based on your saliva although I'm not sure if that would be accurate.
 
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Because your OP is the data of our proof. The claim is that you have no real knowledge of the effects of marijuana legalization apon traffic fatality rates. The proof is that your numbers cite only positive tests for marijuana. But testing positive doesn't mean that one is currently high, and so you do not know if those who had tested positive were high at the time of the wreck and that being high was the cause of the wreck. Ergo, you lack the knowledge. You cannot demonstrate your claim and haven't done so.

Supposition, assumption, and opinion is all you've presented. That doesn't demonstrate knowledge, sorry.

no your proof has yet to have been provided, only opinion you have had to this point:doh
 
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Actually, it could just be that alchohol increases risk 37 times and Thc is irrelevant.

This angle isn't new.they've been conflating presence with impairment for years and years.

We need to wait until "levels" are established. THEN studies will be accurate and relevant.

Now, its the same thing as saying someone saw you drunk at a bar last week so your accident must be alcohol related.

Broken causal link.

I wouldn't accept your first statement because alone, they claimed there was a 13 times increase when alcohol was present and then with alcohol and marijuana it was 24 times - it's not cumulatively 37 - 24 includes both.

I would agree, not being a scientist, that it's possible that marijuana triggers some increased level in alcohol to impair the user, the same way some drugs impact the effectiveness of other drugs when taken in combination. But even so, it would indicate that marijuana, when taken with alcohol, makes alcohol consumption exponentially more dangerous when it comes to impaired driving.

I didn't notice any indication that there is a separate category of fatal accidents of marijuana users who didn't also have some level of alcohol in their system, which I may have missed, but it also may indicate that marijuana use, on its own, has not been shown to be a contributor to impairment causing fatal accidents.

There will never be pure science perfection to the results of such studies. I would say, from a personal perspective, it seems logical to me that anything that alters your normal state has the potential to adversely affect your ability to operate a vehicle.
 
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the speculation started in the OP. There is a difference between having weed in your system and being high. You dont seem to comprehend that.

I fully understand, unfortunatley the guys here that are only offering opinion and have not documented that everyone of them in the study only had it in their system. You are failing to comprehend that.
 
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I gave you a reasoned answer. You're welcome to your own opinion on the validity of my answer - and now, you go back on ignore.

that is absolutely the best place for him as he has only offered opinion through the whole thread. I think on ignore he goes for me as well.
 
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no your proof has yet to have been provided, only opinion you have had to this point:doh

nope the OP and PDF are both factual proof as pointed out by muiltiple posters
 
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I fully understand, unfortunatley the guys here that are only offering opinion and have not documented that everyone of them in the study only had it in their system. You are failing to comprehend that.
another posted lie
nobody made this claim if you disagree qoute all the posters here that proved your OP and PDF to be a failure saying that, not one did.
 
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