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Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled[W:121]

Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

NIMBY said:
Colorado studies have shown that the half-life is "one-half" hour but they are dated.
No doubt the weed used was probably not as strong as what is going around now.

With 10 ng/dL being used as a "safe" level, and a stoned person reaching as high as 80 ng/dL in the blood,
it would take at least FOUR half lives to come down to a safe level .
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Rocketman said:
WOW, water impairs us? Do tell, do tell!:lamo
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Enough does, water intoxication is a real thing.
 
Rocketman said:
What a surprise-Rocketman:lol:

SEATTLE (CBS Seattle) – According to a recent study, fatal car crashes involving pot use have tripled in the U.S.
“Currently, one of nine drivers involved in fatal crashes would test positive for marijuana,” Dr. Guohua Li, director of the Center for Injury Epidemiology and Prevention at Columbia, and co-author of the study told HealthDay News.
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Researchers from Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health gathered data from six states – California, Hawaii, Illinois, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, and West Virginia – that perform toxicology tests on drivers involved in fatal car accidents. This data included over 23,500 drivers that died within one hour of a crash between 1999 and 2010.
Li reported in the study that alcohol contributed to about 40 percent of traffic fatalities throughout the decade.

The researchers found that drugs played an increasing role in fatal traffic accidents. Drugged driving accounted for more than 28 percent of traffic deaths in 2010, which is 16 percent more than it was in 1999.
The researchers also found that marijuana was the main drug involved in the increase. It contributed to 12 percent of fatal crashes, compared to only 4 percent in 1999.

“If a driver is under the influence of alcohol, their risk of a fatal crash is 13 times higher than the risk of the driver who is not under the influence of alcohol,” Li said. “But if the driver is under the influence of both alcohol and marijuana, their risk increased to 24 times that of a sober person.”
Researchers found that the increase in marijuana use occurred across all ages for males and females.
Jonathan Adkins, deputy executive director of the Governors Highway Safety Association, told HealthDay News that marijuana impairs driving in much the same way that alcohol does.

“This study shows an alarming increase in driving under the influence of drugs, and, in particular, it shows an increase in driving under the influence of both alcohol and drugs,” Jan Withers, national president of Mothers Against Drunk Driving, added.
“MADD is concerned anytime we hear about an increase in impaired driving, since it’s 100 percent preventable,” Withers said. “When it comes to drugged driving versus drunk driving, the substances may be different but the consequences are the same – needless deaths and injuries.”
Adkins noted that the legalization of marijuana in some states makes these findings important to traffic safety officials.

“It’s a wake-up call for us in highway safety,” Adkins added. “The legalization of pot is going to spread to other states. It’s not even a partisan issue at this point. Our expectation is this will become the norm rather than the rarity.”
Li added that police do not have a test as accurate as the Breathalyzer to check a driver’s marijuana intoxication level.

Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled « CBS Seattle
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This may have already been stated, but I'm inclined to think that any major increase in car crashes attributed to marijuana would mainly be a function of wider testing for such. Most often, in years past, blood tests did not look for levels of THC in a victim's system, only blood/alcohol levels. As laws came into being making it illegal to drive "drugged", as opposed to simply being charged with careless and/or impaired driving, and as testing became easier and quicker, the incidence of "findings" of drug use are more prevalent but not necessarily more drug use.

It will be interesting to see if the trend continues to rise ever "higher", pun intended, as use of marijuana becomes more mainstream and as recreational marijuana sales become legal in more jurisdictions.

Personally, I'm not going to be one who will enjoy a drive in Colorado or Washington State until information like this becomes more available.
 
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Ockham said:
What's needed is direct evidence showing these drivers were under the influence of weed which had a direct impact (no pun intended) on the accident. Common sense is not so common any longer - I'm one of the proponents of drug legalization across the board - however, when that user is impaired be it with alcohol, prescription drugs or legalized recreational drugs and drives, they should get the book thrown at them for being an idiot. If a fatality is involved, they need to get charged with involuntary whatever... driving laws need to be modified to accomodate weed and perhaps other drugs in the future if they haven't been already.

In this case, what we're seeing the argument revolve around is the lack of direct evidence the vehicle operators were under the influence at the time the accidents occurred. If that linkage is made, the statistics will be more meaningful as well as insightful.
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Your emphasis on "direct-evidence" is the key.
I would consider a smoldering joint to be "direct-evidence" .
 
CanadaJohn said:
This may have already been stated, but I'm inclined to think that any major increase in car crashes attributed to marijuana would mainly be a function of wider testing for such. Most often, in years past, blood tests did not look for levels of THC in a victim's system, only blood/alcohol levels. As laws came into being making it illegal to drive "drugged", as opposed to simply being charged with careless and/or impaired driving, and as testing became easier and quicker, the incidence of "findings" of drug use are more prevalent but not necessarily more drug use.

It will be interesting to see if the trend continues to rise ever "higher", pun intended, as use of marijuana becomes more mainstream and as recreational marijuana sales become legal in more jurisdictions.

Personally, I'm not going to be one who will enjoy a drive in Colorado or Washington State until information like this becomes more available.
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me either, I bet all those bicycle riders will be thinking about the stoner that can't negotitate a curve coming up behind them.
 
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Ikari said:
It's been fully demonstrated that the numbers are inconclusive and can say nothing towards the affects of marijuana legalization leading to more fatalities. In fact, it suggests a background rise in the number of people smoking and having zero effect on the fatality rate.
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Present your facts to back up "your opinion"
 
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Rocketman said:
no, they simply don't meet yours or that other guys opinions and neither of you have provided anything outside of opinion to discredit them.
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correct no opinions were provided only facts were and it destoryed the op.

if you disagree simply answer the questions: How many were high during the accident? how many caused the accident? of those how many accidents were caused by being high?

Until those questions are answered the OP and the PDF are worthless and totally debunked based on the premises they were presented.
Let us all know when you can answer those questions.
 
Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

Ockham said:
What's needed is direct evidence showing these drivers were under the influence of weed which had a direct impact (no pun intended) on the accident. Common sense is not so common any longer - I'm one of the proponents of drug legalization across the board - however, when that user is impaired be it with alcohol, prescription drugs or legalized recreational drugs and drives, they should get the book thrown at them for being an idiot. If a fatality is involved, they need to get charged with involuntary whatever... driving laws need to be modified to accomodate weed and perhaps other drugs in the future if they haven't been already.

In this case, what we're seeing the argument revolve around is the lack of direct evidence the vehicle operators were under the influence at the time the accidents occurred. If that linkage is made, the statistics will be more meaningful as well as insightful.
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ding ding ding

correct!
 
Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

AGENT J said:
correct no opinions were provided only facts were and it destoryed the op.

if you disagree simply answer the questions: How many were high during the accident? how many caused the accident? of those how many accidents were caused by being high?

Until those questions are answered the OP and the PDF are worthless and totally debunked based on the premises they were presented.
Let us all know when you can answer those questions.
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facts come from links to evidence, you provided none as usual
 
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Kreton said:
about as much as smoking pot days before an accident.
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Right, are you smoking now? nothing was said about days:roll:
 
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Rocketman said:
facts come from links to evidence, you provided none as usual
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Translation: no you cant answer the question.
No need to post a lie, the links were already provide by you? read them again


does the OP or PDF show the drivers were high at the time of the accident? nope
does the OP or PDF show the accident was cause by the driver that had weed in his system? nope
does the OP or PDF show that when the accident was cause by the driver that had weed in his system that it was because of the impairment? nope

theres are all FACTS that come from the links YOU posted. Once again facts win and show the presentation of the OP and PDF are complete failures, worthless and debunked.

as always if you disagree provied any facts you have that state otherwise, so far the links you posted prove the facts above.
 
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AGENT J said:
Translation: no you cant answer the question.
No need to post a lie, the links were already provide by you? read them again


does the OP or PDF show the drivers were high at the time of the accident? nope
does the OP or PDF show the accident was cause by the driver that had weed in his system? nope
does the OP or PDF show that when the accident was cause by the driver that had weed in his system that it was because of the impairment? nope

theres are all FACTS that come from the links YOU posted. Once again facts win and show the presentation of the OP and PDF are complete failures, worthless and debunked.

as always if you disagree provied any facts you have that state otherwise, so far the links you posted prove the facts above.
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Have your presented anything that backs up your positon outside of your own opinions.......NO. Can you? after multiple posts here, survey says NO
 
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Rocketman said:
Present your facts to back up "your opinion"
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They've already been presented. Pot stays in the system for weeks. Treated positive for marijuana does not mean they were high at the time of the crash. You have no knowledge that marijuana is a factor in the wreck because you do not know if they were high at the time.

That's all there is about it. What you claim the numbers mean is not what the numbers mean, it's inconclusive.
 
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Rocketman said:
Right, are you smoking now? nothing was said about days:roll:
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You test positive for marijuanna days after smoking and in some people it could be weeks. So to answer your question, yes. Yes we are talking about days.
 
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Rocketman said:
1.)Have your presented anything that backs up your positon outside of your own opinions.......
2.)NO.
3.)Can you?
4.) after multiple posts here, survey says NO
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1.) yes you links prove the facts i pointed out, i havent given any opinions on the facts presented by the links
2.) this is a proven posted lie
3.) yes already done in the OP link and the PDF link
4.) and your survey would be factually wrong. Facts prove it so.

would you like them reposted?

here you go your OP link and your PDF
Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled « CBS Seattle
http://www.coloradodot.info/program...ving/assets/DruggedDrivingFactSheet082011.pdf

both of these support the facts pointed out by me and others that these studies only point out that the in recent years the cases of weed being found in a persons system as gone up, nothing else. Your post loses again to facts. Let us know when you can answer those questions please and thank you.
 
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Ikari said:
They've already been presented. Pot stays in the system for weeks. Treated positive for marijuana does not mean they were high at the time of the crash. You have no knowledge that marijuana is a factor in the wreck because you do not know if they were high at the time.

That's all there is about it. What you claim the numbers mean is not what the numbers mean, it's inconclusive.
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Links? until we some hard evidence linked to this study, all you have posted is opinion
 
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AGENT J said:
1.) yes you links prove the facts i pointed out, i havent given any opinions on the facts presented by the links
2.) this is a proven posted lie
3.) yes already done in the OP link and the PDF link
4.) and your survey would be factually wrong. Facts prove it so.

would you like them reposted?

here you go your OP link and your PDF
Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled « CBS Seattle
http://www.coloradodot.info/program...ving/assets/DruggedDrivingFactSheet082011.pdf

both of these support the facts pointed out by me and others that these studies only point out that the in recent years the cases of weed being found in a persons system as gone up, nothing else. Your post loses again to facts. Let us know when you can answer those questions please and thank you.
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:roll: Can you provide any evidence to support your opionion, not mine:lamo

Please stop replying to me unless you have something beside YOUR opinion:roll:
 
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Kreton said:
You test positive for marijuanna days after smoking and in some people it could be weeks. So to answer your question, yes. Yes we are talking about days.
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no we are not, now we are talking about speculation
 
Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

Rocketman said:
1.):roll: Can you provide any evidence to support your opionion, not mine:lamo

2.)Please stop replying to me unless you have something beside YOUR opinion:roll:
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1.) i havent provided any opinion, i pointed out facts that are proven true by these two links
Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled « CBS Seattle
http://www.coloradodot.info/program...ving/assets/DruggedDrivingFactSheet082011.pdf

do you have any facts the disprove the facts that were already pointed out by me and others and proven with your own links?

2.) havent presented any opinion only facts as the links prove.

Once again, since facts destroy your posts, we are waiting for you to provide anything that disproves the facts pointed out by many posters about those two links.

Do you have any?
 
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AGENT J said:
1.) i havent provided any opinion, i pointed out facts that are proven true by these two links
Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled « CBS Seattle
http://www.coloradodot.info/program...ving/assets/DruggedDrivingFactSheet082011.pdf

do you have any facts the disprove the facts that were already pointed out by me and others and proven with your own links?

2.) havent presented any opinion only facts as the links prove.

Once again, since facts destroy your posts, we are waiting for you to provide anything that disproves the facts pointed out by many posters about those two links.

Do you have any?
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can you do any of your own homework, your opinions are worthless, please show us you can do your own work:roll:
 
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This might be dumb.... but maybe Correlation does not imply causation? Think about this.... more people are smoking pot..... so more people will have pot in there system in things like car crashes and accidents....

I don't smoke so I don't know how it effects the body but yeah thats how I feel :X
 
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What if...? said:
You'll not these studies never include levels of thc, just presence.

Then there's the recent discovery that impairment fades with regular use. Regular smokers perform better under high dosages than less experienced ones with lower dosages. Doesnt mean you should drive high, just that familiarity reduces impairment.

Intentional misinformation. No more useful than eye color.
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Same thing happens with alcohol. What's your point, exactly? I had a cop once tell me that he pulled over a driver for a busted tail light to find that he was blew a .2 (aka, he should be dead). The only way he could tell he was drunk was the smell. I'm not entirely sure what your point is because we still ticket hardcore drunks for driving over the limit when they may not technically be impaired.
 
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Rocketman said:
1.)can you do any of your own homework
2.) your opinions are worthless
3.) please show us you can do your own work:roll:
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1.) dont need anything out statements are about your link and your pdf, therefore thats all that is needed and your link and your PDF prove our statements right

these are the facts proved by your link and your PDF that we pointed out
the OP and PDF does NOT show the drivers were high at the time of the accident. FACT
the OP and PDF does NOT show the accident was cause by the driver that had weed in his system. FACT
the OP and PDF does NOT show that when the accident was cause by the driver that had weed in his system that it was because of the impairment. FACT

facts win again

do you have anything factual that impact these facts?

2.) true this is why i didnt give them

3.) already done by me and muiltiple posters, who is us? nobody agrees with the fallacies you presented.
 
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Chocolate said:
This might be dumb.... but maybe Correlation does not imply causation? Think about this.... more people are smoking pot..... so more people will have pot in there system in things like car crashes and accidents....

I don't smoke so I don't know how it effects the body but yeah thats how I feel :X
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exactly, common sense and facts
 
Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

Rocketman said:
Links? until we some hard evidence linked to this study, all you have posted is opinion
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It's not opinion, it's fact. You do not possess the knowledge that marijuana was a factor in any of those wrecks. It's from your own source itself, tested positive for does not mean high at the time.

So less you have more data, links to support the data, all you have is supposition, assumption, and opinion.
 
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