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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    The "causative issue" you refer to is also a problem when it comes to alcohol and/or other drugs other than marijuana. It's true also that alcohol does not immediately exit the bloodstream once impairment is no longer an issue, nor does alcohol affect every individual in the same way and impact ability to function in the same way, but it doesn't change the fact that societies, at least those where such laws exist, determine what level of presence of a substance is believed to indicate impairment is likely and societies like to err on the side of caution when it comes to protecting innocents against dangerous behaviour of others.

    And again, as I said before, there are no studies that show to a certainty that x level of blood alcohol in a person's system is definitive of impairment or that determines to a certainty that where alcohol is present in a person's system, that alcohol level caused an accident. Likewise, you'll never see such a study for any other drug, including marijuana.
    Ah NORML.

    Marijuana and Driving: A Review of the Scientific Evidence

    I know you'll hate the source, but check the sources sources.

    Seems there is quite a bit of research by real scientists that has all come to the same conclusion.

    And it is pretty much the opposite of the impression the OP piece was designed to leave.

    Its not the first time either. More than once the Drug Warriors have ordered studies about the dangers of pot and when the results came back with an answer they didn't like they simply chucked it and ordered another they did like.

    An honest broker confronted with two studies of the same subject with opposite results would commission at least a third to determine which is correct. That's not what happened.

    The drug war is politically and economically entrenched. Powerful interests stand to lose lots of power and money if it ends. Pot is the "poster child". If they lose that, the "gravy" goes away. Pharmacy companies take big losses. (Pot reduces the physical effects of stress. Red eyes is a side effect of relaxation of the smooth walled muscles. How much profit do pharmacy companies stand to lose on drugs treating stress and its resultant conditions when effective medicine can be grown in your backyard for free?).

    Even the govts. Anti drug site finally admits pot is medicine, while still trying to maintain that it is so dangerous that it must remain in the hands of big pharmacy and only be obtainable at great expense.

    There hasn't been any nobility in the drug war for a long time. Only the longest of ostrich necks could possibly still believe it is a noble effort honorably executed.
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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    You test positive for marijuanna days after smoking and in some people it could be weeks. So to answer your question, yes. Yes we are talking about days.
    I actually posted a link pages ago that says you could test positive many weeks after your last joint. So it could show up in your urine, but the active ingredient to make you high is gone.

    I would hope that we are not seriously debating that a joint that someone smoked on Groundhog day could cause a car wreck on Valentines day? Because in that length of time it is possible to have someone test positive.

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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Ah NORML.

    Marijuana and Driving: A Review of the Scientific Evidence

    I know you'll hate the source, but check the sources sources.

    Seems there is quite a bit of research by real scientists that has all come to the same conclusion.

    And it is pretty much the opposite of the impression the OP piece was designed to leave.

    Its not the first time either. More than once the Drug Warriors have ordered studies about the dangers of pot and when the results came back with an answer they didn't like they simply chucked it and ordered another they did like.

    An honest broker confronted with two studies of the same subject with opposite results would commission at least a third to determine which is correct. That's not what happened.

    The drug war is politically and economically entrenched. Powerful interests stand to lose lots of power and money if it ends. Pot is the "poster child". If they lose that, the "gravy" goes away. Pharmacy companies take big losses. (Pot reduces the physical effects of stress. Red eyes is a side effect of relaxation of the smooth walled muscles. How much profit do pharmacy companies stand to lose on drugs treating stress and its resultant conditions when effective medicine can be grown in your backyard for free?).

    Even the govts. Anti drug site finally admits pot is medicine, while still trying to maintain that it is so dangerous that it must remain in the hands of big pharmacy and only be obtainable at great expense.

    There hasn't been any nobility in the drug war for a long time. Only the longest of ostrich necks could possibly still believe it is a noble effort honorably executed.
    I can appreciate this and I don't disagree with much here - motive is always a concern when it comes to "interpreting" scientific "evidence" that lacks quantitative and qualitative certainties.

    Being almost 60, and having lived through a time when smoking pot was initially widespread and "normal", I can say anecdotally that marijuana does indeed impair some people's physical and mental abilities while under the influence. That's all we're taking about here. There isn't a move to make alcohol illegal and I don't think this study is looking to make legalization of marijuana more difficult - it's simply pointing out that it can influence physical capacity and mental acuity and people who participate should avoid driving cars while under the influence of either or both.
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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    I fully understand, unfortunatley the guys here that are only offering opinion and have not documented that everyone of them in the study only had it in their system. You are failing to comprehend that.
    No. From what I am reading people are explaining that because a person has weed in their system it does not mean that weed played a role in the accident. The article in the OP is trying to state that it did. There is absolutely no information that indicates that it did. None of us, not you, not me, not the people who worked on that study or that article know. The only thing that we know is that at some point in the last month those people had smoked pot. I think most people would agree driving while high would be a terrible choice. I don't think anyone is arguing that. However, being high and having pot in your system are not the same thing.
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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

    Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled
    Shocking! I wonder how much that nugget of wisdom costs to conduct?.....
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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Shocking! I wonder how much that nugget of wisdom costs to conduct?.....
    Probably nothing more than the money we already spend collecting these stats. Though the article is misleading because the numbers they report don't prove that marijuana had anything to do with the accident, only that the individual tested.positive for it.
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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    The ONLY difference is that alcohol does not stay in your system pay 48 hours... even if the effects wore off after 5-10 hours ( depending on how much was ingested).

    But hey, your the one giddy over people dying...
    Actually, marijuana stays in your system for up to 30 days, so this story is ridiculous.

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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Probably nothing more than the money we already spend collecting these stats. Though the article is misleading because the numbers they report don't prove that marijuana had anything to do with the accident, only that the individual tested.positive for it.
    Still too much....Here I'll give you a conclusion that won't cost the taxpayers a dime....Are you ready?

    "Driving anything under the influence of any intoxicant shows higher incidents of fatality"

    there now that we have dispensed with the obvious....
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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Still too much....Here I'll give you a conclusion that won't cost the taxpayers a dime....Are you ready?

    "Driving anything under the influence of any intoxicant shows higher incidents of fatality"

    there now that we have dispensed with the obvious....
    Depends. If talking probability you're likely OK with that statement. If talking proof, then no since there's no measurement. You'd have to take measurements to gather proof and that may cost a bit more than a dime.

    Really what it does say is that we shouldn't have all these specialized laws like drunk driving and blah. You can have a general endangerment law based on driving and any erratic and dangerous driving can be pulled over and ticketed.
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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Depends. If talking probability you're likely OK with that statement. If talking proof, then no since there's no measurement. You'd have to take measurements to gather proof and that may cost a bit more than a dime.

    Really what it does say is that we shouldn't have all these specialized laws like drunk driving and blah. You can have a general endangerment law based on driving and any erratic and dangerous driving can be pulled over and ticketed.
    Already on the books....It's called "reckless driving"
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