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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

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    that is absolutely the best place for him as he has only offered opinion through the whole thread. I think on ignore he goes for me as well.
    another posted lie the OP link and PDF are the FACTS that were pointed out and prove your posts wrong as pointed out by many posters. We are still waiting for you to answer the questions you keep dodging.
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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

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    I have grown tired of reading opinions, now I no longer have to.

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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

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    I have grown tired of reading opinions, now I no longer have to.
    once again i havent presented any opinions, if you disagree please identify the opinion below and use facts to prove its just my opinion.

    the OP and PDF does NOT show the drivers were high at the time of the accident. FACT
    the OP and PDF does NOT show the accident was cause by the driver that had weed in his system. FACT
    the OP and PDF does NOT show that when the accident was cause by the driver that had weed in his system that it was because of the impairment. FACT

    which one is opinion, please point it out and then prove its opinion, id love to read it.
    Otherwise i accept your concession.
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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

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    I wouldn't accept your first statement because alone, they claimed there was a 13 times increase when alcohol was present and then with alcohol and marijuana it was 24 times - it's not cumulatively 37 - 24 includes both.

    I would agree, not being a scientist, that it's possible that marijuana triggers some increased level in alcohol to impair the user, the same way some drugs impact the effectiveness of other drugs when taken in combination. But even so, it would indicate that marijuana, when taken with alcohol, makes alcohol consumption exponentially more dangerous when it comes to impaired driving.

    I didn't notice any indication that there is a separate category of fatal accidents of marijuana users who didn't also have some level of alcohol in their system, which I may have missed, but it also may indicate that marijuana use, on its own, has not been shown to be a contributor to impairment causing fatal accidents.

    There will never be pure science perfection to the results of such studies. I would say, from a personal perspective, it seems logical to me that anything that alters your normal state has the potential to adversely affect your ability to operate a vehicle.
    Respectfully, there's a causative issue.

    The data reviewed could not provide correlation.

    Pot is detectable from a week or so to a couple months. "Impairment" lasts a few hours.

    If alcohol could be detected for weeks, would you accept the drinks you had two weeks ago being considered a contributing factor to something that happened today? Of course you wouldn't, that would be ridiculous.

    But that is EXACTLY what this study does. Impairment "Levels" of THC are JUST NOW being established, and there is no indication that this study used any such. Studies and statistics of this type have been coming out for years, conflating detectable amounts and impairment. NONE of them can be valid without distinguishing between detectability and impairment.

    Any more than finding beer cans in your trash proves you are driving under the influence.

    Do you know honestly believe pots effects last for weeks?
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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

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    Respectfully, there's a causative issue.

    The data reviewed could not provide correlation.

    Pot is detectable from a week or so to a couple months. "Impairment" lasts a few hours.

    If alcohol could be detected for weeks, would you accept the drinks you had two weeks ago being considered a contributing factor to something that happened today? Of course you wouldn't, that would be ridiculous.

    But that is EXACTLY what this study does. Impairment "Levels" of THC are JUST NOW being established, and there is no indication that this study used any such. Studies and statistics of this type have been coming out for years, conflating detectable amounts and impairment. NONE of them can be valid without distinguishing between detectability and impairment.

    Any more than finding beer cans in your trash proves you are driving under the influence.

    Do you know honestly believe pots effects last for weeks?
    ding ding ding
    more facts and common sense pointing out the meaninglessness of the OP and PDF
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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Respectfully, there's a causative issue.

    The data reviewed could not provide correlation.

    Pot is detectable from a week or so to a couple months. "Impairment" lasts a few hours.

    If alcohol could be detected for weeks, would you accept the drinks you had two weeks ago being considered a contributing factor to something that happened today? Of course you wouldn't, that would be ridiculous.

    But that is EXACTLY what this study does. Impairment "Levels" of THC are JUST NOW being established, and there is no indication that this study used any such. Studies and statistics of this type have been coming out for years, conflating detectable amounts and impairment. NONE of them can be valid without distinguishing between detectability and impairment.

    Any more than finding beer cans in your trash proves you are driving under the influence.

    Do you know honestly believe pots effects last for weeks?
    Yeah if what you were saying it true it would not keep you from obtaining a job at Toyota, but it does. The liability is not worth the risk.

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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Respectfully, there's a causative issue.

    The data reviewed could not provide correlation.

    Pot is detectable from a week or so to a couple months. "Impairment" lasts a few hours.

    If alcohol could be detected for weeks, would you accept the drinks you had two weeks ago being considered a contributing factor to something that happened today? Of course you wouldn't, that would be ridiculous.

    But that is EXACTLY what this study does. Impairment "Levels" of THC are JUST NOW being established, and there is no indication that this study used any such. Studies and statistics of this type have been coming out for years, conflating detectable amounts and impairment. NONE of them can be valid without distinguishing between detectability and impairment.

    Any more than finding beer cans in your trash proves you are driving under the influence.

    Do you know honestly believe pots effects last for weeks?
    The "causative issue" you refer to is also a problem when it comes to alcohol and/or other drugs other than marijuana. It's true also that alcohol does not immediately exit the bloodstream once impairment is no longer an issue, nor does alcohol affect every individual in the same way and impact ability to function in the same way, but it doesn't change the fact that societies, at least those where such laws exist, determine what level of presence of a substance is believed to indicate impairment is likely and societies like to err on the side of caution when it comes to protecting innocents against dangerous behaviour of others.

    And again, as I said before, there are no studies that show to a certainty that x level of blood alcohol in a person's system is definitive of impairment or that determines to a certainty that where alcohol is present in a person's system, that alcohol level caused an accident. Likewise, you'll never see such a study for any other drug, including marijuana.
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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

    21 pages and the facts still remain

    the Link in the OP and the PDF dont show anything more than recently there have been more people with weed present in their system, this fact wont change

    anything else is a guess and opinion
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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Yeah if what you were saying it true it would not keep you from obtaining a job at Toyota, but it does. The liability is not worth the risk.
    So now insurance company risk reduction is scientific proof unto itself?

    If alcohol remained in your system long enough to test they wouldn't let you do that either.
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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Yeah if what you were saying it true it would not keep you from obtaining a job at Toyota, but it does. The liability is not worth the risk.
    not true at all thats nonsense it keeps you from getting a job cause its illegal and or drug policies.
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