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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I read the OP piece, and it seems pretty clear to me that they're not trying to fool anyone - with findings such as “If a driver is under the influence of alcohol, their risk of a fatal crash is 13 times higher than the risk of the driver who is not under the influence of alcohol,” Li said. “But if the driver is under the influence of both alcohol and marijuana, their risk increased to 24 times that of a sober person.” it's quite clear that the authors of the study are concluding that marijuana use is a contributing factor and has a causal relationship to an increased risk.

    No study, that I know of, claims that a fatal accident that involves a driver with a high blood alcohol level was solely and clearly caused by the alcohol consumption. There's no way to statistically prove such. These studies, and those involving alcohol consumption only, simply conclude the incidence of drug and alcohol use and the percentages of fatal accidents that are so affected.

    So it is, quite clearly, just your opinion that the drivers weren't high - that's not a matter totally determined by level of the drug in the system - you have no facts that prove they weren't high - just your opinion that the accident wasn't caused by a driver that had weed in his system - in fact, the quote above seems to prove the opposite - and just your opinion that the accident wasn't caused by the driver's impairment - the quote above seems to prove the opposite.

    You can bluster all you like - doesn't change the FACT that you view the study's findings the way you choose to view them - that makes it your opinion. I'm sure drunks also feel it wasn't the alcohol that caused their crashes either.
    Actually, it could just be that alchohol increases risk 37 times and Thc is irrelevant.

    This angle isn't new.they've been conflating presence with impairment for years and years.

    We need to wait until "levels" are established. THEN studies will be accurate and relevant.

    Now, its the same thing as saying someone saw you drunk at a bar last week so your accident must be alcohol related.

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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    no we are not, now we are talking about speculation
    the speculation started in the OP. There is a difference between having weed in your system and being high. You dont seem to comprehend that.
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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

    When I was younger, smoking pot actually made me a safer, sometimes a bit slower than needed driver. Every single person I knew that smoked pot was the same way. There are ways to tell if someone is under the influence of pot based on your saliva although I'm not sure if that would be accurate.
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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Because your OP is the data of our proof. The claim is that you have no real knowledge of the effects of marijuana legalization apon traffic fatality rates. The proof is that your numbers cite only positive tests for marijuana. But testing positive doesn't mean that one is currently high, and so you do not know if those who had tested positive were high at the time of the wreck and that being high was the cause of the wreck. Ergo, you lack the knowledge. You cannot demonstrate your claim and haven't done so.

    Supposition, assumption, and opinion is all you've presented. That doesn't demonstrate knowledge, sorry.
    no your proof has yet to have been provided, only opinion you have had to this point

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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Actually, it could just be that alchohol increases risk 37 times and Thc is irrelevant.

    This angle isn't new.they've been conflating presence with impairment for years and years.

    We need to wait until "levels" are established. THEN studies will be accurate and relevant.

    Now, its the same thing as saying someone saw you drunk at a bar last week so your accident must be alcohol related.

    Broken causal link.
    I wouldn't accept your first statement because alone, they claimed there was a 13 times increase when alcohol was present and then with alcohol and marijuana it was 24 times - it's not cumulatively 37 - 24 includes both.

    I would agree, not being a scientist, that it's possible that marijuana triggers some increased level in alcohol to impair the user, the same way some drugs impact the effectiveness of other drugs when taken in combination. But even so, it would indicate that marijuana, when taken with alcohol, makes alcohol consumption exponentially more dangerous when it comes to impaired driving.

    I didn't notice any indication that there is a separate category of fatal accidents of marijuana users who didn't also have some level of alcohol in their system, which I may have missed, but it also may indicate that marijuana use, on its own, has not been shown to be a contributor to impairment causing fatal accidents.

    There will never be pure science perfection to the results of such studies. I would say, from a personal perspective, it seems logical to me that anything that alters your normal state has the potential to adversely affect your ability to operate a vehicle.
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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    the speculation started in the OP. There is a difference between having weed in your system and being high. You dont seem to comprehend that.
    I fully understand, unfortunatley the guys here that are only offering opinion and have not documented that everyone of them in the study only had it in their system. You are failing to comprehend that.

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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I gave you a reasoned answer. You're welcome to your own opinion on the validity of my answer - and now, you go back on ignore.
    that is absolutely the best place for him as he has only offered opinion through the whole thread. I think on ignore he goes for me as well.

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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    no your proof has yet to have been provided, only opinion you have had to this point
    nope the OP and PDF are both factual proof as pointed out by muiltiple posters
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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    I fully understand, unfortunatley the guys here that are only offering opinion and have not documented that everyone of them in the study only had it in their system. You are failing to comprehend that.
    another posted lie
    nobody made this claim if you disagree qoute all the posters here that proved your OP and PDF to be a failure saying that, not one did.
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