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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Colorado studies have shown that the half-life is "one-half" hour but they are dated.
    No doubt the weed used was probably not as strong as what is going around now.

    With 10 ng/dL being used as a "safe" level, and a stoned person reaching as high as 80 ng/dL in the blood,
    it would take at least FOUR half lives to come down to a safe level .
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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled[W:121]

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    What a surprise-Rocketman

    SEATTLE (CBS Seattle) – According to a recent study, fatal car crashes involving pot use have tripled in the U.S.
    “Currently, one of nine drivers involved in fatal crashes would test positive for marijuana,” Dr. Guohua Li, director of the Center for Injury Epidemiology and Prevention at Columbia, and co-author of the study told HealthDay News.
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    Researchers from Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health gathered data from six states – California, Hawaii, Illinois, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, and West Virginia – that perform toxicology tests on drivers involved in fatal car accidents. This data included over 23,500 drivers that died within one hour of a crash between 1999 and 2010.
    Li reported in the study that alcohol contributed to about 40 percent of traffic fatalities throughout the decade.

    The researchers found that drugs played an increasing role in fatal traffic accidents. Drugged driving accounted for more than 28 percent of traffic deaths in 2010, which is 16 percent more than it was in 1999.
    The researchers also found that marijuana was the main drug involved in the increase. It contributed to 12 percent of fatal crashes, compared to only 4 percent in 1999.

    “If a driver is under the influence of alcohol, their risk of a fatal crash is 13 times higher than the risk of the driver who is not under the influence of alcohol,” Li said. “But if the driver is under the influence of both alcohol and marijuana, their risk increased to 24 times that of a sober person.”
    Researchers found that the increase in marijuana use occurred across all ages for males and females.
    Jonathan Adkins, deputy executive director of the Governors Highway Safety Association, told HealthDay News that marijuana impairs driving in much the same way that alcohol does.

    “This study shows an alarming increase in driving under the influence of drugs, and, in particular, it shows an increase in driving under the influence of both alcohol and drugs,” Jan Withers, national president of Mothers Against Drunk Driving, added.
    “MADD is concerned anytime we hear about an increase in impaired driving, since it’s 100 percent preventable,” Withers said. “When it comes to drugged driving versus drunk driving, the substances may be different but the consequences are the same – needless deaths and injuries.”
    Adkins noted that the legalization of marijuana in some states makes these findings important to traffic safety officials.

    “It’s a wake-up call for us in highway safety,” Adkins added. “The legalization of pot is going to spread to other states. It’s not even a partisan issue at this point. Our expectation is this will become the norm rather than the rarity.”
    Li added that police do not have a test as accurate as the Breathalyzer to check a driver’s marijuana intoxication level.

    Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled « CBS Seattle
    This may have already been stated, but I'm inclined to think that any major increase in car crashes attributed to marijuana would mainly be a function of wider testing for such. Most often, in years past, blood tests did not look for levels of THC in a victim's system, only blood/alcohol levels. As laws came into being making it illegal to drive "drugged", as opposed to simply being charged with careless and/or impaired driving, and as testing became easier and quicker, the incidence of "findings" of drug use are more prevalent but not necessarily more drug use.

    It will be interesting to see if the trend continues to rise ever "higher", pun intended, as use of marijuana becomes more mainstream and as recreational marijuana sales become legal in more jurisdictions.

    Personally, I'm not going to be one who will enjoy a drive in Colorado or Washington State until information like this becomes more available.
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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    What's needed is direct evidence showing these drivers were under the influence of weed which had a direct impact (no pun intended) on the accident. Common sense is not so common any longer - I'm one of the proponents of drug legalization across the board - however, when that user is impaired be it with alcohol, prescription drugs or legalized recreational drugs and drives, they should get the book thrown at them for being an idiot. If a fatality is involved, they need to get charged with involuntary whatever... driving laws need to be modified to accomodate weed and perhaps other drugs in the future if they haven't been already.

    In this case, what we're seeing the argument revolve around is the lack of direct evidence the vehicle operators were under the influence at the time the accidents occurred. If that linkage is made, the statistics will be more meaningful as well as insightful.
    Your emphasis on "direct-evidence" is the key.
    I would consider a smoldering joint to be "direct-evidence" .
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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled[W:121]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    This may have already been stated, but I'm inclined to think that any major increase in car crashes attributed to marijuana would mainly be a function of wider testing for such. Most often, in years past, blood tests did not look for levels of THC in a victim's system, only blood/alcohol levels. As laws came into being making it illegal to drive "drugged", as opposed to simply being charged with careless and/or impaired driving, and as testing became easier and quicker, the incidence of "findings" of drug use are more prevalent but not necessarily more drug use.

    It will be interesting to see if the trend continues to rise ever "higher", pun intended, as use of marijuana becomes more mainstream and as recreational marijuana sales become legal in more jurisdictions.

    Personally, I'm not going to be one who will enjoy a drive in Colorado or Washington State until information like this becomes more available.
    me either, I bet all those bicycle riders will be thinking about the stoner that can't negotitate a curve coming up behind them.

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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's been fully demonstrated that the numbers are inconclusive and can say nothing towards the affects of marijuana legalization leading to more fatalities. In fact, it suggests a background rise in the number of people smoking and having zero effect on the fatality rate.
    Present your facts to back up "your opinion"

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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    no, they simply don't meet yours or that other guys opinions and neither of you have provided anything outside of opinion to discredit them.
    correct no opinions were provided only facts were and it destoryed the op.

    if you disagree simply answer the questions: How many were high during the accident? how many caused the accident? of those how many accidents were caused by being high?

    Until those questions are answered the OP and the PDF are worthless and totally debunked based on the premises they were presented.
    Let us all know when you can answer those questions.
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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    WOW, water impairs us? Do tell, do tell!
    about as much as smoking pot days before an accident.
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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    What's needed is direct evidence showing these drivers were under the influence of weed which had a direct impact (no pun intended) on the accident. Common sense is not so common any longer - I'm one of the proponents of drug legalization across the board - however, when that user is impaired be it with alcohol, prescription drugs or legalized recreational drugs and drives, they should get the book thrown at them for being an idiot. If a fatality is involved, they need to get charged with involuntary whatever... driving laws need to be modified to accomodate weed and perhaps other drugs in the future if they haven't been already.

    In this case, what we're seeing the argument revolve around is the lack of direct evidence the vehicle operators were under the influence at the time the accidents occurred. If that linkage is made, the statistics will be more meaningful as well as insightful.
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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    correct no opinions were provided only facts were and it destoryed the op.

    if you disagree simply answer the questions: How many were high during the accident? how many caused the accident? of those how many accidents were caused by being high?

    Until those questions are answered the OP and the PDF are worthless and totally debunked based on the premises they were presented.
    Let us all know when you can answer those questions.
    facts come from links to evidence, you provided none as usual

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    Re: Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    about as much as smoking pot days before an accident.
    Right, are you smoking now? nothing was said about days

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